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Organikum

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Mono and trimethylamine by electrolysis
« on: February 14, 2004, 04:41:00 PM »

Patent DE148054


Farbwerke Hoechst 1903

translation as good as possible by ORGANIKUM

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Method for the production of amines by electrolysis
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Examples:
Reduction of HMTA to methylamine and trimethylamine

(CH2)6N4 + 12H = 3CH3NH2 +(CH3)3N

1.
Anode and cathode chamber which are divided  by an diaphragm are filled with a solution of sodiumsulfate. 140,0 gram of hexamine are dissolved and electrolysed with lead electrodes at a current density of 3Amp/cmxcm, wherby the voltage is about 3.5V. The base which forms at the cathode is permanently neutralized by dropping dil. H2SO4 into the chamber. The cell is cooled so the temperatur is hold at about 20°C. After the needed amount of electricity has passed through the operation is cancelled and the bases of mono and tro-methylamine are distilled out of the solution after basifying with NaOH.
The separation of the tri and mono-methylamine is done in the well known manner.

2.
Instead of sodiumsulfate ammoniumsulfate is used. The cathodechamber has an stirrer and a tube for venting the gases away and is sealed airtight.
Same yields.

3.
Ammoniumsulfate is used and formaldehyde is dropped in in a way that there is always an excess of it at the side of the cathode.
yields same as in example 1.
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I remember there was some need for trimethylamine some time ago.......
;)


sYnThOmAtIc

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Ratio
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2004, 05:06:00 PM »
Does it give metion to the ratios of the methylamines or how to influence the ratio?

Organikum

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?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2004, 06:20:00 PM »

(CH2)6N4 + 12H = 3CH3NH2 +(CH3)3N



Looking at this equatation I might guess it is 3 to 1 - monomethylamine to trimethylamine and the ratio seems to be fixed in this kind of reaction.

What would you prefer?
More mono or more trimethylamine?  :)




sYnThOmAtIc

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Dumb question!
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2004, 10:01:00 PM »
I overlooked the equation there. Woops...

As of late trimethyl, but I forgot what for  ::)

sYnThOmAtIc

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How much electricity?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2004, 11:41:00 AM »
Does it give mention to how many faradays per mole of hexamine to pass? What about overall yield?

Organikum

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No more data given sorry
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2004, 01:40:00 PM »
:(


roger2003

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How much electricity?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2004, 01:52:00 AM »
They work with 3,5 V and 3A/qdm. You need 12 Faradays (12 H)/mol