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ning

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p-dichlorobenzene to hydroquinone to....
« on: October 17, 2003, 08:49:00 AM »
The day before yesterday, SwiN was reading interesting things in the library. They said "you can't directly methoxylate p-dichlorobenzene under normal pressure and temperature conditions, except maybe photochemically"...
SwiN didn't like these words, as SwiN had some big dreams for SwiN's little tin of moth crystals. Now, for SwiN's purposes, even a 10% yield of 1,4 dimethoxybenzene from moth flakes would be most acceptable. So SwiN got thinking...why do these stupid chlorines just not want to react? And the answer in SwiN's head was...because they aren't STIMULATED enough yet. Which takes light. Or heat. Or...or...sonication! Yes! Amongst other papers, SwiN has seen several, usually related to sewage cleanup, that speak of knocking chlorines off benzene rings (to be replaced with hydroxyls...), with ultrasound. And how about that, SwiN just happens to have a little baby jewelry cleaner, and boy, it could use some cleaning. So,yesterday, SwiN plopped in the sonicator:
a dollop of p-dichlorobenzene (40mmol),
a bigger spoon of NaOH (120 mmol),
a pinch of Ajax (detergent and bleach),
1g of root-killer (CuSO4 crystals),
some copper electrical wire,
2g of Oxy-clean,
a bit of the jewelry cleaner's fluid(which SwiN assumes is just soap)
100mL H2O
150mL denatured alcohol
a blob of acetone to stir things up

.... well, wouldn't you know it, but it fizzed up real nice.
And gave off a most repulsive moth-crystal-y scent. And made annoying, loud, headache-inducing ultrasonic crackling.
But then, something happened. About 30 minutes in, the tone changed, and the white foaming liquid suddenly changed brown. SwiN let it run for a while longer, then poured it out into a beaker to look. All the crystals were gone. The beaker had a nasty brown powdery gunk on the bottom, and the solution was brown, too.
A quick check indicated that hydroquinone oxidises brown in basic solution (!) Mission Successful! Sort of! There sure was nothing else in there that was brown! All white powders here! What has SwiN oxidized SwiN's stupid moth crystals into? Hydroquinone, one step away from the holy precursor of joy? Or mixed up brown crap? Maybe both? Maybe SwiN should go easy on the oxy-clean next time? But basic solution is necesary to this process!

Swin dreams of the future--a melt phase methylation?
Perhaps the moth crystals can be put in a tube with solid NaOH and a high-melting methylating agent and heated to about 170 degrees celsius. As soon as the NaOH takes a Cl and gives an OH, the methylating agent will methylate it safely to -O-Me, where it will be unaffected by the basic surroundings. Maybe.....

Any ideas, bees? What should SwiN do next with the hungry sonicator and moth flakes? Of course NaOMe comes to mind, but for some reason SwiN is having trouble finding methanol and quicklime. Sad, sad, sad. ;)

ning

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Having studied more...
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2003, 08:52:00 AM »
on quinones and hydroquinones, ning is convinced that they are the future of psychedelia, being not-so-hard to make from many common materials. So ning found some points that may be of interest to the hive-at-large:

chlorines can be removed from aromatics, if they are ortho or para to DEactivating groups, such as Nitro, or Sulfonate (sp?). Then they can be used to alkylate.

And, by the way, remember that drone's enolate synth uses chlorobenzene. Something to think about.

So here is ning's completely theoretical route from moth crystals to something surely forbidden by the analog laws.

1. Nitrate p-dichlorobenzene to 2-nitro p-dichlorobenzene, or possibly twice, to 2,5 dinitro p-dichlorobenzene.

2. Use drone's enolate synth or just alkylate acetone onto the nitro dichlorobenzene
(by the way, having read something about chlorination of acetone under basic conditions, it would seem to ning that perhaps a base as strong as drone recommends may not be necesary. A paper spoke of NaOH causing noticeable amounts of enolate acetone to chlorinate with NaOCl...)

3. by now, it should be obvious where ning is going. we have 1 or 2 tasty nitro groups, and a 4-position chlorine...
Use zinc powder and acetic acid or something to reduce the nitros to amines.

4. oxidize the amines across to a quinone, perhaps with manganese dioxide, from batteries? Or copper or iron(III) chloride...

5. reduce the quinone to a hydroquinone (again, zinc powder, etc.)

6. methylate aforementioned hydroquinone to yield 2,5 dimethoxy-4-chloro-phenyl-2-propanone

7. do with that ketone what beez do best....

So it's not DOB, sue me.
All of those reactions, or ones like them, are in the literature. Only thing that makes ning slightly paranoid is the nitration step, since the ring is already somewhat deactivated. But DNT can be nitrated to TNT, and that ring is quite deactivated, so ning reckons it could be done. Who will be the first to convert $7 of moth crystals to 7000 mad doses of psychedelic goodness?

ning

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sorry, ning noticed that drone's procedure...
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2003, 08:13:00 PM »
sorry, ning noticed that drone's procedure does not say much about chlorobenzene, except that it hasn't been tried.
But ning has seen things involving replacement of that "stabilized" chlorine with other things, like hydroxyl groups.

Any comments on the synth idea? Ning is pretty sure all of those steps are reasonably feasible...

ning

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Ning dreamed....
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2003, 09:37:00 AM »
Of nitration of p-DiClBz with 2mol-H2SO4, 1mol-NaNO3 in 50% isopropanol and got little bubbles. Does nitric acid attack alcohols, by any chance?
Next time try dreaming in acetone, ning supposes...

Rhodium

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Yes, nitric acid both oxidize and esterify...
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2003, 01:23:00 PM »
Yes, nitric acid both oxidize and esterify alcohols.

Vitus_Verdegast

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nitrate esters
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2003, 05:07:00 AM »
Isn't it dangerous to mix alcohols with HNO3 ?

They form very shock sensitive explosive mixtures, don't they?


Rhodium

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nitrate esters are dangerous
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2003, 06:08:00 AM »
Yes, nitroglycerine is for example the trinitrate ester of glycerol (1,2,3-propanetriol).

ning

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Ning will make sure...
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2003, 02:18:00 PM »

Rhodium

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Why your table is in error
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2003, 12:27:00 AM »

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