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The Hive => Chemistry Discourse => Topic started by: Vibrating_Lights on October 28, 2001, 10:35:00 AM

Title: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: Vibrating_Lights on October 28, 2001, 10:35:00 AM
if ammonium nitrate is used to produce ammonia gas with NaOH what is the salt produced. Sodium Nitrate?
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Post by: foxy2 on October 28, 2001, 12:29:00 PM
Yep

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Post by: wandering101 on October 29, 2001, 10:46:00 AM
Useful reaction - you get your ammnonia gas, and you get a useful salt - now make some poppers with that salt....
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Post by: casper1 on October 29, 2001, 04:10:00 PM
A double whammey........

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Post by: Rhodium on October 29, 2001, 04:29:00 PM
Poppers are made with sodium nitrite, not sodium nitrate.
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Post by: Agent_Smith on October 29, 2001, 04:33:00 PM
nitrite is like a wonder chem... lots of fun shit to do with it.  Bombs, poppers, pseudonitrosite, etc

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Title: Re: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: wandering101 on October 30, 2001, 06:36:00 AM
Err - silly me - not sure how I misread THAT one.
My apologies.
What was the interesting use for sodium nitrate - I would have sworn there was one?
Title: Re: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: PVnRT_NC8 on October 30, 2001, 06:44:00 AM
I would do a search on that but i am conserving energy I do understand there is a difference between nitrates and nitrites one is worse for fish they have test kits otc for this kida stuff please carry on I am interested per ussual

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Title: Re: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: wandering101 on October 30, 2001, 07:32:00 AM
Uses for sodium nitrate (from the search engine)
Convert to sodium nitrite by adding it to molten lead, then filtering off the lead oxide (UTFSE for a more detailed writeup)
Also in "PART 2 of 6: LARGE SCALE OLD SCHOOL METHAMPHETAMINE PRODUCTION"

And, what I remember it from - explosives, smoke bombs (smoke bomb recipe says Potassium Nitrate, however sodium nitrate can be substituted)
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Post by: Bozakium on November 01, 2001, 08:49:00 AM
Sodium nitrATE is used as a meat preservative. Read the label on that hunk of "the other white meat".
 ANd, yes you are right, crude gunpowder can be made with either saltpetre or Chile saltpetre.
Title: Re: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: goiterjoe on November 02, 2001, 04:27:00 AM
sodium nitrate keeps beef looking extremely red, and can make old brown meat red again.  wonderful "preservative", ain't it?.

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Title: Re: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: PrimoPyro on November 02, 2001, 08:10:00 AM
Bozak: you are wrong here. It is the nitrite that is the preservative. Its a global preservative of like 90% of foods and its in ever goddamn household product that you at least partially ingest: i.e. mouthwash, etc.

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P.S. Still have doubts? Take heed: Nitrates are poisonous to humans, nitrites are not. The FDA (here in U.S.) would never approve of adding a poison to all foods.

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Title: Re: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: Rhodium on November 02, 2001, 04:23:00 PM
Nitrites are the preservatives, yes, but you are wrong on the toxicity issue. It is indeed the nitrites that are more poisonous than nitrates.
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Post by: terbium on November 02, 2001, 05:26:00 PM
The FDA (here in U.S.) would never approve of adding a poison to all foods.
This was sarcasm? I wasn't certain, you seem to have omitted the  ;)  or  :P  icon.
Title: Re: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: UTFSE on November 02, 2001, 07:03:00 PM
NaNO3 is  available  by the ton in the gardening section.
called Nitrate of Soda - trick name, eh?

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Title: Re: Ammonia gas generator
Post by: PrimoPyro on November 03, 2001, 01:15:00 AM
terbium: yes thats sarcasm. damn smileys dont work for me half the time.

Rhodium: wrong about toxicity? Strange, because I read this in some sort of scientific literature. Cant remember if it was a dictionary, the Merck, or something else, but Im gonna try and find the ref. Thanks for the knowledge though.

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Title: Re: nitriates
Post by: Bozakium on November 06, 2001, 12:28:00 AM
I stand corrected, but I'm a goddamn vegetarian so what the fuck do I know?
   I guess one could burn your hot dogs down to carbon, add a touch of sulfur and have gunpowder. The dudes on the meth board might buy this one... heh, heh..