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jsorex

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Amine, amide
« on: September 12, 2003, 01:41:00 AM »
What is the difference? I cant understand


pHarmacist

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Amide vs. Amine
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2003, 01:56:00 AM »
R-NH2 = amine

R-(C=O)-NH2 = amide


Bandil

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Another important difference is that amine...
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2003, 02:25:00 AM »
Another important difference is that amine groups have acid/base properties, while amides does not!


jsorex

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That I actually knew.
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2003, 02:27:00 AM »
That I actually knew. Theese structures are hard to remeber, I aleays fotget and confuse them. I can't remeber what an ester is anymore, for fucks sake, i mean the structure again...


Aurelius

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ester
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2003, 08:21:00 AM »
replace the -NH2 in the AMIDE structure above with a -OH and you have an ester.


jsorex

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?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2003, 04:01:00 AM »
That wouldn't be a carboxylic acid?


Bandil

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Esters
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2003, 04:13:00 AM »
jsorex> Yes, that would be a carboxylic acid.

An ester is an carboxylic acid bound to an alchohol with and condensation reaction(ie. you loose a molecule of water).

Thus an ester looks like the following

R-(C=O)-O-R

Which has been formed via. the following two molecules:

R-(C=O)-OH + HO-R + (H+) -----> R-(C=O)-O-R + H2O + (H+)
This reaction is called a Fischer esterfication, and is acid catalysed.

It is the -OH group from the carboxyl acid, that get's knocked off.

But there are several other ways of forming esters.

Check out:

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~fac6q/19_13_17.pdf

for more details!

Regards
Bandil


jsorex

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Thanks for the link. Can you believe that I...
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2003, 05:39:00 AM »
Thanks for the link. Can you believe that I passed a 4 ECTS course on organic chemistry with the second best grade and our university is within the top 5 of th EU! Because I can't..


Aurelius

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Sorry
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2003, 11:35:00 PM »
My bad- wasn't thinking.  I've really got to start getting more sleep.  (we all say this, but do we ever really do anything about it?) :-[