The Vespiary
The Hive => Methods Discourse => Topic started by: malvaxman on August 08, 2001, 06:01:00 AM
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Has anyone here yet used black pepper to make MDMA on at least a medium scale? With which result?
Is sassafras-oil possible to buy OTC in South-East Asia,
where should i look then?
Thank you for your answers.
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I don't know of anyone trying out black pepper as a MDMA precursor in reality yet, but the theoretical details can be found at my page.
Sassafras oil is available from several asian vendors, name the country and I'll give you a few hints in a PM.
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do u mean the piperonal to mdma route? pepper is cheapo cheapo... good luck.
Of COURSE we don't know what we're doing! That's why it's called research! (boom...) :)
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Piperine (found in black pepper) can be oxidized to piperonal (3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde), which can be converted to MDMA.
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obit knows a bee who has reported success all the way throught the amination. small scale though- ~2g final product. but it does work!
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Doesn't black pepper contain a small amount of safrole as well? Like 0.6 - 1.0%? The synths I have seen always extract the piperine and convert it to piperonal. The one I am looking at right now got 1 gram of piperonal from 100g of black pepper, and it took a lot of time and effort. But if pepper really has a 0.6%-1.0% safrole content, they could have gotten almost a gram of safrole from the same 100g of black pepper, presumably with less time and trouble.
Any thoughts on this?
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Is there a detailed writeup of this pepper -> piperonal available, other than the one by "The Cook" on my page?
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The one by "the cook" is the only one I have seen any details about. I have seen a usenet thread that had that same write-up as well as some responses about succeful and failed attempts. Apparently, over oxidation was the main mistake made in the attempts. I'll see if I have that whole thread saved somewhere so I can post it for everyone.
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report that obit received yeilded around 3-5g piperonal/ 100g pepper- obit thinks that isn't too bad. not anything to get excited about, but what the heck.
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my results were very similar! around 4grams of piperonal in relation to 100grams of pepper.It is a good source especially after several rxns a nite!
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Hey Cheese- obit was referring to you. duh.
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ooooppps! how embarrising!hehe oh well secrets out now, i'll have to do a write up for the bees (god i hate write ups i always fuck up on them then get flamed to shite)
On my next run down i will write up all i dreamed then post it in the newbee section okie cokie!obit you will get first crack at the write up so u can look over it!oh and u 2 rhodium or who ever is the moderator on this forum! :-[
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Okay, so I guess that clears it up - but I have a related question (assuming the department of agriculture is correct about the safrole content). If I extract the pirerine with ethanol, is there safrole in my extract as well? Or would the safrole need to be gotten at by a diffrent method?
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pirerine?
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is safrole soluble in ethanol?- then that's your answer.
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yes, piperine - it is the alkaloid in black pepper that piperonal is allegedly derived from. The methods I have seen take the route:
Pepper -> Piperine -> Piperic Acid -> Piperonal
But I am every bit as a interested in the safrole. No one has had experience extracting safrole from black pepper?
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Allegedly it IS soluble in ethanol. However, that method of extraction doesn't seemed to be used when extracting safrole from sassafras root bark - all the literature seems to recommend steam distillation.
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sorry i though you called it pirerine earlier on! never done the pepper synth for saffrole so i can't hlp on that score.
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oh oops - you are right - I did. Sorry for the typo.
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thats cool like i said watch out for my write up in the newbee section or do u all want it in here? ::)
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doesn't really matter were you place it, but it would be best if you placed it in it's own, new thread.
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Well, I am a newbie, so don't listen to me - but it seems we don't have detailed method anywhere that gives nearly the yield you are getting. So I think it might be appropriate to post it in a new thread in either this forum or the "Novel Discourse" forum. Wherever you end up posting it, it'll be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance :)
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and god spoke and thus was done! i will, like i said obit u will get first crack for your undivided attention to detail, then a moderator then after clearance i will post it okay?
is this okay for everyone concerned?
:-[
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cheesie, no prob. send it whenever you finish the next round and obit'll get the ball rolling on the editing. hey cheesie, do obit one favor though- make it a big batch. so you can have a good weekend!
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i'll try with the funds available, currently on several dreams at the moment which are draining funds, BUT i will do a fairly big one just for you!
just give me some time okie cokie.
now wheres that meth gone.............*mwah* ;)
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I am having trouble finding any sort of reference for piperic acid to piperonyl.
It would be nice to have a more selective oxidation from piperic acid.
I can't find this
Fittig and Mielch, Ann., 152 (1869) 25)
Could some one else get these:
J. Am. Chem. Soc. 94, 4024 (1972);
J. Org. Chem. 43, 1532 (1978)
How about these other routes to the aldehyde:
chromyl trichloroacetate: Liebigs Ann. Chem. 659, 20 (1962)
t-butyl iodoxybenzene: Tetr. Lett. 26, 4955 (1985)
KMnO4 in THF-H2O: J. Org. Chem. 51, 3213 (1986)
NaIO4-OsO4: J. Org. Chem. 21, 478 (1956)
Synthesis 1984, p 431-3
J. Chem Research - Synopses 1986, p 458-9
Dimethyl polyethylene glycol - see J. Org. Chem. 43, p 1532, (1978).
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obit'll try and find some of those and get back with you
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hi munky!if u get them can u pm them to me as well?
*mwah* ur a star! :-[
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Hell, if i lived in SE Asia, I'd be finding an MDP-2-P source, fuck the safrole! um, PM ME!
Assrash Ouch!