thanks, i have been doing alot of research on alternate methods for all kinds of precursos , i have just made an elaborate write up on making ephedrine, with exact precudures for making 200 grams of p2p-alchol in 4 liters of water, with very easy to find otc chemicals, but .... that is to come later, i need to experiment a bit first... hey thanks again for your support, i m glad to see some realistic logical people...and its she