I find it extremely puzzling that some of the more professionally skilled bees have not positively ID'ed some of the stumbler gaaks that they have failed to list in the inactive list, but are clearly present in the pills.
The Extracto-Squad workerbees aren't set up with the precision analytical equipment to do that type of analysis and many lack the "skill in the art" and must rely on past experience in order to determine that something is in there that isn't listed outright.
No where is it found on the box that eudragit is listed.
Eudragit is made of up of classified mutagens for christs sake!
WTF is that? Good "Consumer Right To Know" practices?
These fuks aren't above poisoning a nation in order to eradicate a potential "drug of abuse" threat obviously!
I'm waiting for them to start employing a type of poisoning process unique to the common reduction methods such as when they employed the Weed Killer "Paraquat" to stamp out not only the Weed...but the spleefsmokers themselves!
Eudragit is here. It's been isolated. The only way Ibee's been able to ID it's presence is by it's chemical properties and behavior when removing it.
More can be read here in The Complete EUDRAGIT® & EUPERGIT®
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(wareami: "Eudragit", Stimulants)It's a pretty intense read so buckle down when ya have enough time to digest it AWE.
Three known solubility factors will affect eudragits removal.
But there are a list of other protectant inactives that must be dealt with as well. They are part of the delivery system itself.
The key is to dissolve everything in one fell swoop and provide a buffer for the amine to move into or you'll remove the amine with Oils.
Because they have included these oils, Ibee's thinking of re-examining the use of Dot3 as his earlier experiments before the Oils proved promising.
And again I caution....just because the pill isn't a time release formulation(ie...30mg or 60mg), doesn't mean they haven't employed a "Controlled Release" delivery system in the process of manufacture.
We now have in addition to extraction inhibitors, reaction inhibitors to deal with.
This makes for a medly of denaturants and adulterants to sidestep in the extraction process.
And Again I'll say...."They cannot put an ingredient in a pill that cannot be extracted"
Knowing this, they put other ingredients along side that are intented to travel with the active ingredient as a means of thwarting either the extraction or the rxn itself.
They've started adding base to the pills in order to adjust pH in such a way as to thwart amine migration.
Some will employ NP washes at some stages of extraction and guess what....the NP will become an amine thief if the pH is above 8-10pH so always check those discarded NP washes.
The purpose for the pH adjustments, it's assumed, is to maintain a perfect environment for the inactives and when adjusted in the process of extraction, they'll active some encapsulating agents or will in essence reek havoc on most A/B attempts.
H2O may become a Bees best friend again but more work is being done in that direction along those lines.
Always remember that when they keep adding layers on top of what already exists, they risk leaving another door open they previously shut with a prior systems inclusion.
Is this complicated? No doubt!
Is Extraction of the pure sought after impossible?
Never!
That's Ibee's take on this!
And cycosyince: If SWIM has a way of positively ID'ing, by name, any of the inactive components commonly found in any formulation, The Do-Bees on the Board would be eternally grateful for the enlightenment
