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The Hive => Newbee Forum => Topic started by: officer_murphy on June 01, 2004, 04:41:00 PM

Title: electrolosis of alcohol ion (HELP!!!!!)
Post by: officer_murphy on June 01, 2004, 04:41:00 PM
ok so say u had a dry alcohol n made the sodium salt with sodium yes?
 R-OH + Na ---> R-O(-) + Na(+) + H
ok now we do some electrolosis
 Na(+) + e(-) ---> Na (cathode)

here is where i am stuck :(
(anode) R-O(-) - e(-) ---> ???????????
i came up with 2 possibilities(i think):
R-O(-)  -  e(-) ---> R=O + H (primary/secondary alcohol)
R-O(-)  -  e(-) ---> some form of alkene? + O
im assumin only C H O r present in the molecule
if u can help id be very gratefull thank you :P

Title: ok i did some stuff n now i came up with ...
Post by: officer_murphy on June 01, 2004, 05:37:00 PM
ok i did some stuff n now i came up with this:(from the top)
*NH3 + R-OH --> NH4(+) + R-O(-)
*CATHODE: NH4(+) + e(-) --> NH3 + H
*ANODE:   R-O(-) - e(-) --> R=O + H

*R=O + NH3 --> R=NH + H2O <<<do u think this imine will get reduced on one of the electrodes?hmmmmm time to experiment i think
and its legal :o ooops i just remembred i dont have a lab

Title: your post seems to spawn from the ramblings of
Post by: ApprenticeCook on June 02, 2004, 05:23:00 AM
your post seems to spawn from the ramblings of an excited pre-pubescent student or a old geriatric.

Could you please in future make your posts formated and easy to read, i cant understand what your asking or explaining...

Title: Good question why
Post by: ning on June 03, 2004, 03:27:00 AM
He wants to electrolyze ethanol?

Perhaps to anodically oxidize it to acetaldehyde?

Surely it would be aldol-ed to hell by the strong ethoxide base present, as soon as it was formed?

Title: ning your guess is as good as mine, thats what
Post by: ApprenticeCook on June 03, 2004, 07:11:00 AM
ning your guess is as good as mine, thats what i thought reading this but to what end???
Your right it would fly off on another tangent before creating anything usefull from what i can scrape from the post.

Hmmm.