Definetly not just in theory man, it's the HI that does reduce it in all the HI methods from my readings.
without working it out myself, I think the equation is about 6HI to 1E isn't it?
So your potentially reduced 1/6th of it, is that right by you?
Gees that was a bit silly wasn't it?
If I did what you did I wouldn't wash using acetone afterwards because jacked said it removes iodometh, and I'd wanna get high?Quote
1 ml of 57% HI = 0.99 grams of HI
75 mls of 57% HI was used= (75 x 0.99) = 74.25 grams of HI = 0.5 moles HI
Ephedrine HCl, molecular weight MW = 201.73 grams/mole therefore 0.06 moles of Eph HCL was used
Therefore ratio = (0.5/0.06) = 8.3:1
You believe 6HI 1E is necessary, Swix used 8.3HI to 1E. So the excess was there, however the decomposition of HI at reflux temps causes the ratio to be lowered and hence slow down/half react the rxn (not to mention side reactions). This also accounts for the iodine precipitate.
To combat the iodine precipitate, it has been suggested to add sodium thiosulphate or copper filings to clear free iodine, however this will only clear the flask pre or post rxn, still leaving the half reacted goods in there (as the %HI is not kept high enough in the rxn due to decomposition)
So Swix believes that a wet p-less (lets not start on gas phase rxns ;) ) HI/E rxn is not feasible unless a BLOODY HUGE excess of HI was used (to keep good %HI) and additives were used to combat the decomposition and side reactions. However, for all that work, i think Swix's mind and wallet would prefer to combat arthritis of the fingers and get mbRP and add that alahttps://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/meth.hi-p.html (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/meth.hi-p.html)
On other comments;
Acetone was not added directly as a wash, just a little put in recrystalisation mix. So it may have removed some iodometh. However, what does iodo meth/eph look and smell like? Fluffy white powder or clear crysals? Remember Swix's 3.5 grams obtained smelt fishy not planty (as plain Eph HCL does) but was definately not meth.
I have a strong hunch that more than 3.5grams could of been obtained. Because when steam distilling Ephedra, that is about the ammount of E contained in 400mls of distillate. So Swix believes that if he kept on distilling the rxn flask; eg 2litres collected he would of had more than 3.5 at the end. Hypothesising, probably a mix of a tincy bit meth, then maybe equal parts iodometh/eph and eph.QuoteTry impurity profiling, assay if available and a different regional strain.
I have tried to reduce via HI/rP the local ephedra strain here in northern nevada with similiar results. The work continues...Quote
Swix is now worried that his Eph could be wack, however where Swix resides Ephedra is very heavily regulated and only has one source (Ephedra Sinensis 3% from China). It does produce heart-busting fun when had on its own though... :o
So is it recommended that Swix obtain mbRP and his pre-made 57% HI and his Eph HCL and give that a whirl. Are the ratios obtained in Wizard X'shttps://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/meth.hi-p.html (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/meth.hi-p.html)
suitable? Or can less be used. I have UTFSE and have many ratios, but its hard to otain a consistent ratio for pre-made HI, E from Ephedra and mbRP.
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(Organikum: "Necessary Concentration of HI ?", Stimulants)You sound like someone with the proper lab knowhow to not spill things on the floor, right?
>>* More/less HI, perhaps it was too concentrated (causing overshadowing side reactions)
Ah, but you determined the concentration volumetrically, didn't you?Quote
Swix is young but trained well...although its surprising how much you can learn from home endeavours (eg Chem 101 - dont heat flamable solvent with little flame; burnt knuckles 101, blue-flame floor 101.. haha)
The HI weighed 1.8g/mL and i used 75mLs. That indicates greater than 57% concentration. But this was at room temp (and 57% is max attainable at 127`c). And HI gas escaped the flask meaning the maximum (aq) concentration of HI was obtained at that temp.
Looking up re Ephedra Sinensis; it's alkaloid content is mostly comprised of ephedrine and pseudo-e...so promising there. It's the main Ephedra specie (also called E.Sinica and a few other names)
Swix has concluded that a HI and Eph rxn using no P-based recycler is not feasable in a basic clandestine situation. Others have speculated this, and argued for and against. But from first hand experience - unless you have a huge excess of HI and was able to combat the HI decomposition and side-rections - it wont work.
For this unfortunate reason, Swix will regretably go down the mbRP path as Swix doesn't have access to Hypo-P or P-acid anymore.
This weekend Swix will obtain and extract mbRP; ala SQIDIPPY's numerous threads. This way, Swix will need alot less HI, and things should go as per established techniqueshttps://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/meth.hi-p.html (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/meth.hi-p.html)
. Swix will never experiment again (sob..sniffle) ...(hahah, joking)
However, as always, these are Swix's opinions based on Swix's experience. Perhaps someone else can get this to work; Swix wishes them the best and hope they find sucess and share their experiences.
Will post results from the next MISSadventure (gotta start thinkin' positivly..., Adventure!, Adventure!)
1) Steam distilled ephedra to obtain clean white Ephedrine HCl (along with other alkaloid HCL's obv). [all good]
Did you treat your ephedra with dilute HCl prior to distilling?