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You're not American are you?


They'll fuck whoever they can as much as they can.  It's a fucking racket: cops, lawyers, judges and prison industrial complex.  Fucking sucks
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News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by atara on March 02, 2024, 05:33:44 AM »
Yeah I was talking about the MgB2 method. The yield is about 10% of the boron but considering the electronics that's around 40% of theory. So not awful. The nice thing about MgB2 is that it's basically completely stable and easy to store which helps make up for the huge excess.

I suspect you could get a better yield if you used a mixture of MgB2 and metallic Mg. That would improve the theoretical yield substantially.

The balanced equations:

2 MgB2 + 4 NaOH >> NaBH4 + 2 MgO + NaBO2 + 2B

2 MgB2 + 8 NaOH + Mg >> 2 NaBH4 + 4 MgO + 2 NaBO2

Using KOH instead might also increase the yield but the product KBH4 is less reactive and less soluble. No idea if it would still work for the CuCl2 bit.
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download It Free Of Charge Here
« Last post by DMTrott on February 29, 2024, 05:58:12 PM »
My post above, of course, explains why The Drug Users Bible was converted to a PDF and provided without charge across the darknet (and indeed here).

Well... there's been another development.

An easily navigable and hopefully aesthetically pleasing browser version has been created. You can access this here, with the navigation bar unfolding on the left hand side: https://drugusersbible.org/

I can't take any credit for this. It was in fact created by staff and members of Dread. An advantage it carries is being able to link directly to any specific page of content. This makes my life easier at least.

I hope that this is of interest and is of use.
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News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by Osmiridium on February 21, 2024, 10:47:59 PM »
There’s no guarantee that this is what atara was talking about, but it was all One could find.
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I read that the yields are very low like 10%, and isolating the pure borohydride without decomposition would be tricky.
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News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by Mrbovinejony on February 21, 2024, 05:16:31 AM »
And why isn't this method used or talked about more? I see no cheap magnesium diboride or easy way to make it
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News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by Osmiridium on February 21, 2024, 01:46:49 AM »

Honestly kind of overcomplicated when you can just buy the best precursor to borohydride and react it with alkali hydroxides
What's the precursor?
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News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by Loki on February 20, 2024, 07:15:22 PM »

Honestly kind of overcomplicated when you can just buy the best precursor to borohydride and react it with alkali hydroxides
What's the precursor?

I'd be interested to know as well, because I was under the impression the easiest for the amateur would be sodium hydride and trimethyl borate. I was thinking borane and sodium hydroxide, but I am fairly sure that would produce sodium metal.
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News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by big mac on February 19, 2024, 10:12:46 AM »

Honestly kind of overcomplicated when you can just buy the best precursor to borohydride and react it with alkali hydroxides
What's the precursor?
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News / Re: DEA To Update Watched Chemicals List To Include Sodium Borohydride
« Last post by atara on February 19, 2024, 06:41:31 AM »
Not sure I understand the fuss about nabh4 being watched, the time spent figuring out how to get or make nabh4 could be better spent figuring out how to reduce without it

There was this chinese patent, the NaBH4 was made from Mg metal and some borax sodium carbonate, water in a ball mill: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=158235

 One would have to make a tightly sealed ball mill, that could bee filled with argon though and afterwards wind a way to recrystallise the NaBH4 without hydrolysis. Quite a bit of a hassle and specialised equipment.
Honestly kind of overcomplicated when you can just buy the best precursor to borohydride and react it with alkali hydroxides
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