Author Topic: e/rp/I2 Reaction  (Read 7927 times)

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Osmium

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I am still desperately waiting for an ...
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2004, 09:18:00 AM »
I am still desperately waiting for an explanation of how this reaction is supposed to proceed with just a few percents of water.
I guess it all boils down to 'faith based science'. Good luck, and lots of faith... you will need it.


popi

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Osmium that post is not my baby!
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2004, 09:47:00 AM »
How can you give a precise ratio? when your I2 is probably wet?dry:?,or mbrp wet? or dry:?What is it man? Wet or dry:?I used 3.5mls and it flashed like a meteorite hitting the Palm Springs desert!Orange gak plumb of smoke!P13 Osmium? I was told.


popi

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Sexy "push" n" pull"
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2004, 10:01:00 AM »
Never had one of them Charlie.Have pics from the Lwr though and pics of the bomb [orange] in the kitchen:!Don't know how I'll clean it up...

popi

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Kid you know the answer
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2004, 10:08:00 AM »
you'all get bad Karma sometimes,it depends what ya say?like chemistry you have to be perfect!


Rhodium

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ADDKid
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2004, 03:38:00 PM »
The red smoke that came off was PI3 [...] The iodine and Phos. react naturally to form PI3, which is a gas.

Phosphorus(III)Iodide has a melting point of 61°C and a boiling point of 227°C.

http://www.webelements.com/webelements/compounds/text/P/I3P1-13455011.html



I belive that [...] some species of PH3 are formed when the reaction has reached equilibrium

If you read the recent discussions about phosphine and phosphonium iodide you will see that these species can and will form well before equilibrium is established (equilibrium is defined as the point in time where no net reaction longer occurs, i.e. after anything reducible has been reduced).


popi

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Finished Reaction
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2004, 03:53:00 PM »
Taking the elder bees advice boiled the post rxn fluid 5min.Fluid looked cloudy yellow,rp fell fast.Based to 14 and distilled,putting a spoon of sand in!thanksVD.A shit load of lovely smelly oil came down,cleaned twice with Xylene and PH'd to 6.Evapped and got my sudo back!Yup again.It was the I2[no big crystals,black not grey] or the E[no pinwheels,chalky crystals+light fluffy cotton candy texture]...


wareami

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Will it ever sink in?
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2004, 03:14:00 AM »
Most bees will sink rather than swim if they can't learn to read between the lines anywaves?
This is not directed at anybee specifically so unruffle yer feathers and ~Just Wing It~.
For quite some time bees have been being pushed toward longer cooking times! Do ya'll think that it is any one or two bees doing this pushing?
C`mon now?
The feedstock is a major change in this scenario since most are still working with OTC pill sources.
A bee doesn't dictate how long the rxn runs before it's completely reduced.
The bee with experience will gently guide others toward what is working for them based on the changes they experience!
This longer cooking time is the best gaurantee a caring bee can give to another when guiding or suggesting how the rxn should go down.
The hows and whys would fill a book and for brevities sake, some of the most simplist common sense judgement calls are left to the reader.

H2O is your friend regardless of the feedstock source in the HI/RP rxn. Many bees have concusions from trying to drive this point home!
If ya'll don't mind working UP pfed after 12hours of reacting followed by another 12 hrs typing and looking for answers to where ya went wrong, then so bee it.
The solutions are all here for the taking and the LWR is geared for the most likely success a bee will have today when working with OTC pills, regardless of the extraction method!
Many bees have poured their hearts and souls into steering bees toward obtaining the cleanest feedstock available.
Those same bees slaved for months on end trying to develope a failsafe method for achieving success.
Unfortunately The Curbshot will not work 9 times out of ten today! In it's day it worked 3 out of 5 times.
What does that say about the starting materials?
The LWR contains built-in safeguards aside from the encyclopedia of information that's been provided UP until now.
Until it's employed verbatim, the rewards will likely remain as mysterious and eluding as meth itself, for those bees without the WarewithAWE to pull it off to begin with! ;)
In the first sentence, Ibee can spot a bee a mile away that's done his homework and the necessary trial experimentation.
Anybee that isn't drying their precursors prior to weighing them out must not be serious about the importance that ratio plays in the rxns ability to reduce pfed to meth. They doom themselves to repeated "Back To The Drawing Board" syndrome.
Is is laziness? Or is it complacency that fuels these undersites, prerequisites to failure?
Ibee says It's this simple.
•Obtain yer feedstock and precursors!
•DRY them completely and THEN portion them out:
•10g E
•12-13g I2
•8g MBRP
•5-8ml dh2o

Mix however ya want but making HI first is less stringent(harsh) on the pfed.
Cap off with balloon or condensor after thoroughly mixing AWE the ingredients.
Place flask in an oilbath and run at 95-100°C for 36-48hrs
36 hours for the 5ml dh2o ratio and 48 for the 8ml dh2o ratio.
During the first 2 hours the reactants will be liquid and will have risen some, depositing precursor on flask sides above the pool....SWIRL to bring all the red back into play that might have gathered above on the glass and then put back on the heat.
Stir the rxn every 8 to 12 hours to insure decent recycling of HI.
If the rxn can't GO all the way in one shot, Pull it off,  note the time, and resume later for alotted time.
It really is that simple and if the benefits and merits of this LWR don't make beelievers of bees, Ibee will eat his hat!

Ummmmmm....errrr....uhh...Ibee is not an advocate of running less than pristine clean feedstock but he's made that area his lifes work and passion. That doesn't mean he's above looking at things through other bees eyes by purposely falling short of his HIGHer than normal standards in attempts to prove what'll work and what won't. Many inactives will live and thrive being bombarded for 6-24hrs....
Not many stand a chance for very long past that but they will create some nasty side rxns that require an additional time under that pummeling to be rendered null and void or at the very least incabable of doing what they were invented and employed to do!
So....when you finally do fall off that log into the sWhirlpool of success, Keep Swimmin cause thar's no turnin back once ya walked the plank....
Docked-Oars Orders :o
~JUST WING IT~



elfspice

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dry cooking *does* work... but....
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2004, 06:04:00 AM »
Os, small amounts of water will form 57% HI with rP and I2 floating around. However, this also risks lots of other problems, flask fires, for one (lwr can't have a flask fire except in extreme circumstances), decomposition of the ephedrine via oxidation from high temperatures... and never mind the fact that the HI cannot form without water, and thus you end up with a lot of subliming I2 staining up your tubes turning them black and stinky.

The thing is, all these newbies don't understand the principles behind the reaction, otherwise they wouldn't be so stupid. the rp makes the I2 into HI, and HI reacts with pseudo/ephedrine when in a 57% (ie concentrated, fuming) solution of HI. So making the HI is the most important thing in the reaction. (yes sorry i know wise bees know this i'm aiming this at newbees) (oh just cos it says newbee in my doesn't mean i'm really new around here ;) oh and of equal importance is that the HI remains concentrated in the solution

The amount of water to add should be no more than is required to turn all the present I2 into HI at 57% concentration. I presume that 57% figure bandied around refers to weight/volume ratio, meaning that you want the level of water to be about 43% of the iodine/water together, or in other words, about 75% of the weight of iodine (weigh the water), probably a little less to ensure that the HI concentration doesn't drop below the level it requires for reactivity. This assumes you have enough phosphorous to react into the 57% solution, plus enough extra to match the amount of ephedrine to be reduced (that's 1 mole of elemental iodine per moles of ephedrine)

This isn't as easy to get right for ghetto kidz with wet reagents, but you can get it closer to being right...

popi

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White crystals! Newbees read this.
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2004, 10:31:00 AM »
Ware did these crystals come from?Do not smoke these kid!!What are they?There not gogo! Another day,another suprise.Saw a small pool of white,foaming little bubbles.This is not right,so bee checked the condenser and sure enough it was harvesting a small pile of white crystals,to the point of blocking the gas flow.Back to the drawing board brought bee good results!Read Warami's Dea-Egull pull and arose to find the pristine pinwheels!Not great yeilds,focusing on Quality now.Can't seem to get the New straight to E solution to reach 105c.Video Editor has a greeeat formula!How long can it take to 105c?Many thanks to V.E.,Warami and Geezmiester for there thread's.'Too Much Acid',my I2 is grey:little cigar crystals now.And the E has the pinwheels plus new powder mbrp ,not sand- like mbrp.In the post...'it's not the weight of rp, it is the surface contact'.Thanks G for that is the formula for success.Bee's Not re-using the last rp that burned in the P13 smoke fire we had.It is brown so I will leave it.Bee wants to check the 8mls h2o:that is not per gram is it? and for VE's [calcium chloride gasser],Bee has a bag of calcium chloride,which has water as an ingredient,sodium chloride and potassium chloride.Is this the right chemical.?Used as ice removal.Rodium,thanks: found a rubbing compound 70%ethanol,with camphor ...got it but it does not sound right.Camphor?And big search found Naptha v&p called Coleman's.It's in Camping section of sounds like "Ball 'her'Mark". SquidDippy found a small, one hand shear that cut's more than 25 strikkers at once! Squid you'll love em.They are orange and black called "Fiskars" found at sounds like " Sheome Riko",Place them in a vision ware pot on low heat with Isoprop alcohol70%,stir,twice,3 to 4 min.decant.No shaking,no bottle.Brilliant Squid!Thank ya'll.Peace


popi

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Lot's of Hi white crystals
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2004, 04:31:00 AM »
Thanks,bees Short,Gee,Wear and mods!Read the post and did'nt realize it was the Same as Shorty's. It was Hi crystals not Lye.I thought I fuckd up. I have that pale yellow post sol to base that I saved.There was alot of Hi!!! so after 36 hrs Bee is pulling.If not finished,can I react the post sol again?It was set for 48 hrs,and I pulled it at 36.Having no smell to it matter?


wareami

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Pessimism will get you no ware....
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2004, 06:11:00 AM »
:)
Walk that plank with confidence!
Thares no room for negativity if yer invoking the proper incantations and wareing the right beanie! :P