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Title: preserving chemicals
Post by: PolytheneSam on February 07, 2002, 12:35:00 PM
Here's a patent on preserving wines with a gas (CO2).  Maybe this could be applied to opened bottles of chemicals.  You could use N2 if CO2 reacts with the chemical.

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: Osmium on February 07, 2002, 12:58:00 PM
It's not uncommon at all to store sensitive chemicals under N2 or Ar, and some chems (metal-organics especially) have to be stored like that. Even regular food is often stored under protective gasses.

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: PolytheneSam on February 08, 2002, 12:44:00 AM
How about after opening?

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: foxy2 on February 08, 2002, 09:25:00 AM
Yes after opening also.

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: Osmium on February 08, 2002, 11:36:00 AM
You cannot transfer these sensitive chemicals by pouring for obvious reasons, that's why you have to use needles, syringes, Schlenk glassware, septa and stuff like that.

Examples are grignards, BuLi, aluminum alkyls etc.

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: foxy2 on February 08, 2002, 04:59:00 PM
Well I have seen 4L bottles of THF that say purge with nitrogen after opening.

These are surely transfered by pouring.
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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: Osmium on February 08, 2002, 05:04:00 PM
And your point is?

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: foxy2 on February 08, 2002, 05:51:00 PM
That such purgeing is applicable to other chemicals besides the "super sensitive" ones you describe.

For instance anything that forms peroxides, LAH ect

And I just like contradicting you.
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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: Osmium on February 08, 2002, 06:34:00 PM
Where is the contradiction?

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: foxy2 on February 08, 2002, 08:53:00 PM
Did ya have to pull out the dictionary and get technical on my ass.  Your right.
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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: PolytheneSam on February 09, 2002, 01:00:00 AM
I've noticed a precipitate forms in olive oil after its been opened and left in the refrigerator.  Also, I've seen a precipitate form in a very old bottle of sassafras oil that had been opened.  Maybe oxygen in the air had something to do with it.

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: Rhodium on February 09, 2002, 02:30:00 AM
The olive oil thing is due to some of the oils has crystallization points above the temp in yuor fridge. No chemical transformation has occurred.
Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: PolytheneSam on February 09, 2002, 04:20:00 PM

The olive oil thing is due to some of the oils has crystallization points above the temp in yuor fridge. No chemical transformation has occurred.



   
There's NO precipitate when an UNOPENED bottle is put in the refrigerator.


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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: Osmium on February 09, 2002, 10:02:00 PM
Leave it in there for long enough and there will be precipitation too.

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: PolytheneSam on February 09, 2002, 10:21:00 PM
>I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.

Its recommended that people keep their saturated fat levels below 20 g/day.  I tried it, became even more superhuman than I was before, lost weight and decided to stay on a low saturated fat diet.  Olive oil has been found to lower the risk of heart disease.  That's why I use it.  Its high in monounsaturated fats.

>Leave it in there for long enough and there will be precipitation too.

I left an unopend bottle in the refrigerator for a couple days one time and there was no precipitation.

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: Stonium on February 10, 2002, 05:53:00 PM
Maybe a couple days wasn't long enough.  :P
Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: PolytheneSam on February 10, 2002, 09:25:00 PM
Come to think of it it was in the frige for 2 weeks not a couple days.  :P

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Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: Rhodium on February 11, 2002, 05:56:00 PM
In my local grocery store they apologized for the olive oil having a white precipitate, because they had left the bottles out in the cold before they put them on the shelves, and reassured the customers that it would return to normal if stored at room temp for a few days.
Title: Re: preserving chemicals
Post by: PolytheneSam on February 12, 2002, 01:09:00 AM
That's what happens to mine when I take the opened bottles with the precipitate out of the refrigerator and let them warm up.  I'll have to get a new bottle and check to see if the brands I use do this when unopened.

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