the only thing that bothers me about this discussion, is that i'm sort-of hearing that the size of the rxn is not a factor in this calculation.
of course it is!
and for some of the same reasons that a 20lb turkey needs to cook longer than a 1/4 lb hotdog.
Tsk...Tsk...CharliesBud: That's cheatin!
It's not fair using the same analogy Ibee used to get bees to switch
And I might bee skinny but I'm not 20lb's Mr.PotatoeHead ;D :)
Also...Baking things require heating from the outside in.
Not so with this rxn! It's exothermic remember! Kinda like me....I cook from the inside out! ;D Whether I'm a hotdog or a turkey is besides the point! :P
Which reminds me...the altzheimers must be worse than I thought! It just dawned on me that the topic from long ago was about the cleanliness of the utensils and them contaminating the rxn. I think I said something to the effect that improperly washed flasks and such could transfer contaminants and sway the results! Just like washing flasks with soap and the residue left behind could affect the outcome. The same goes for minerals in water! ;)
Call me anal!
Can't an ounce cook be complete in 3 hours by hot fast/dry p/p standards the same as a 1 or 5gram nano?
I rest my case.
When considering 36-48hour cooks the window of completion is much larger than say a 3-6 hour cook!
48 hours is plenty to cook a pound.
What determines the reduction is the concentration of HI, and the heat of reaction.
The ratio to make that HI becomes an important consideration when scaling UP and will determine ware you'll bee in the range of success!
So size does not matter as long as sufficient HI is present.
Most have considered success as beeing the moment conversion takes place. Between 1-3hrs depending on the heat applied.
Higher heats with just enough dh2o to create the HI neccessary to reduce will put any size rxn in success range if ratio is correct.
This is what bees have been taught since Ibee was a babeebee!
That is how Ibee learned!
Now we come to find that the envelope of success can be achieved with more dh2o and lower heat, just enough to maintain the recycling of HI after it's produced, and time added on to compensate for the added dh2o and lower heat.
It's a gentler rxn.
The influencing factors are not the size of the rxn!
A 4 ounce cook will be complete in 48hours! They do it in the hot/fast p/p rxn successfully!
Now we need to define success!
Is a product any better using the Gentler LWR when compared to the product produced by the hot/fast p/p?
Absolutely!
What is the optimal time for any size rxn?
YEP....you said it!
48hours!
But because we can pull it at 36hours and have usable product that shows marked improvements over the hot/fast p/p we do!
Is that as good as it gets?
No!
It's tough enough convincing bees to develope the patience necessary to adopt the mindset of lowering heat/adding dh2o then tacking on an additional 30 hours to something they've been doing for years in 4 hours!
Do you see the irony in that?
Okie Dokie....now you have bees like Geez and Ibee doing research that can possibly shave some of that precious time off the rxn and still walk away with "As Good As it Ghets" product.
The best time Ibee's been able to pull off was 30hour!
Ibee's heard from other circles that 24hrs came close and all appeared to be reduced 100% but their descriptions lead Ibee to believe that some intermediates and iodosides might have been present, which is what Ibee discovered from his research.
Now obviously, bees all know how hard aquisition has become and the larger rxns have more at stake and it's best to gaurantee the best possible end result for those adopting to run the WetDream(LWR).
Ibee pushes everybee toward the 48hour mark in those cases, even though they could pull it at 36 and walk away with usable product!
now there was a rumor floating around, that after enough hot time, some long chain polymers would crap out and beecome removable.
if so, the 48 hr reflux should beecome essential.
There is alot of truth to this and Ibee has proved it on numerous occassions with running less than pristine clean feedstock and walked away smiling!
And Biz: Many fail to realize the extent of what went on behind the scenes at UP-AWE-NITE labs in order to determine "best vs worst" case scenarios in order to determine what exactly sets the bar and why the bar is set ware it is! Granted, most must take this nformation at face value.
In face of speculation, it's left to the bees to determine it's merit and value to them! The benefits are such that they must bee experienced by following the guidelines experienced and shared.
Credibility isn't an issue from ware Ibee sits because he knows that the times, temps and ratios being handed down will stand on there own merit and bees will begin the shift in mindset for those unbelievers holding contempt prior to investigation.
While some of the mechanics of the Longwetreflux remain a mystery to Ibee chemspeak-wise, the end results tested at various intervals up to and including 7 days are proof enough to Ibee ware that mark is.
Many have confirmed and been converted and all a bee has to do is read others reports to see the similarities.
fourtyeight hours is optimal!
https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/pdf/chemical_behaviour_of_red_phosphorus_in_water.pdf (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/pdf/chemical_behaviour_of_red_phosphorus_in_water.pdf)
btw, why assume dh2o wasn't used?
Because that's the essiest, most convenient comparison. It's what the elders handed down to Ibee and what wet his feet!
Unless you take for example the arguement phlegm is trying to propose! Let's address that as well while we're here...
1) Why is automatically assumed a hot reflux is done dry? A hot WET reflux of 5-10 hours will produce excellent yields and quality of meth HCl; and without having to piss around with this stuff for 3 days and without having to worry about burning down your house while you sleep.
Key words there are HOT!!!! That is the only way a bee can alter the time in this rxn!
The problem with this will only be experienced and noticed by what many describe as "Whacked Out Tweeker" types that for whatever reasons are sensitive to the Psychosis sides associated with hot cooks and certain impurities present!
There has been enough evidence provided here at the hive that confirms that association.
Obviously, if you're not affected by this, how would you know? Ibee knows because he's sensitive to it and can produce product that doesn't affect him in that way if the heat stays low enough! This brings us to the impurities, aziridines, iodosides, dimers, and a slew of others only the forensic and chemists can spew forth with any kind of authority and accuracy.
Ibee associates this missing tweekin syndrome directly with heat in excess during the cooking process and the logical conclusion lay somewhere in the possibility that those side impurities get cooked off over time! What is the exact time window they fall off? Fuck if I know! How many GDamn rxns ever run identical? But to be safe and gaurantee product doneness in a less toxic state, we go with what works.
This LWR rxn has run identical several times for Ibee and that is all the confirming consistancy he needed to warrant taking UP the cross and delving deeper into explaining the benefits and the process itself, the best he can.
Many have adopted this LWR without question and most every one has claimed it's the best switch they ever made.
As I said....I'm not defending this rxn, per-se. I'm merely answering the questions others are too occupied conceptuallizing why it's inferior to their tried and true method to find out for themselves!
It's almost reminicient of the Tetra-scapades from daze of yore ;D and trying to convince others of the merits and benefits in applying that solvent to battle polymers and antihistamines in extraction!
Just do the LWR rxn as outlined and if it fits you're liking and tastes, help your brother/sis bees out and spread the word!
If it aint your cup of tea, GO with what ya know!
Ibee certainly won't lose any sleep!
That's gauranteed!
Chuck-E(saycheeze(https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/hive/hiveboard/picproxie_docs/000489447-file_naeg.gif))...luv ya too bro!