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News / Re: LSD Chemist William Leonard Pickard to be Released From Prison
« Last post by thewire on Yesterday at 11:40:59 AM »
Was he not extradited to the United States ??

He was.
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nicholas-sand-outlaw-lsd-producer-fled-to-british-columbia/article35081834/
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In 1996, police raided Mr. Sand's lab in Port Coquitlam, B.C., which was producing LSD and other drugs. He was arrested and extradited to the United States.

Mr. Sand was imprisoned for three years and sentenced to a halfway house for four more. Returning home unapologetic, he told National Geographic in 2009 that he'd produced an estimated 140 million hits of LSD in his lifetime. It was a claim no one disputed.
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News / Re: LSD Chemist William Leonard Pickard to be Released From Prison
« Last post by jacolives on October 15, 2021, 09:43:28 PM »
Was he not extradited to the United States ??
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News / Re: LSD Chemist William Leonard Pickard to be Released From Prison
« Last post by solipsist1212 on October 15, 2021, 08:13:58 PM »
Just read up on Pickard and also Nicholas Sands, and was struck by their totally different punishments for essentially the same crime. Pickard gets a double life sentence (out in 20 yrs but only bc of the pandemic) for LSD manufacturing, while Sands gets 14 yrs and is out in 3! And it was his third or fourth time getting caught and had fled on bail to another country! Anyone have ideas why Sands got such a comparative slap on the wrist?

Because Canada. Nicholas Sands was arrested in British Columbia where sentences are more lenient. Pickard was arrested in the US (Kansas) which is comparatively a lot harsher
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News / Re: LSD Chemist William Leonard Pickard to be Released From Prison
« Last post by jacolives on October 15, 2021, 02:48:19 PM »
This is built into the way they are sentenced!!  For example, one can go to the joint, proffer some information, get resentenced then they find out some of the information given was false and get resentenced again ALL ON THE SAME CASE.

People get let out early all the time just on their word they will do something or could possibly give information on something else.  One guy I know got let out to set people up he didn’t even know, based on information he got from another inmate even.
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News / Re: LSD Chemist William Leonard Pickard to be Released From Prison
« Last post by spice on October 15, 2021, 01:56:52 PM »
What he said^

One quick addendum, I believe that many of these guys are turned for life when it happens. It's not just a to get out of jail almost free card. When the feds turn these big fish, that's a wrap, they are property.
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News / Re: LSD Chemist William Leonard Pickard to be Released From Prison
« Last post by jacolives on October 15, 2021, 01:33:35 PM »
Take this for a grain of salt, but in EVERY OTHER case that I have been around regarding the federal court system the ONLY WAY you can even be ELIGIBLE for a downward departure from the sentencing guidelines is through telling on other people.  Fleeing from US courts doesn’t really have any bearing on the case you are fleeing from though in some circumstances it could be a new charge.  This is all in reference to the FEDERAL court system.  If he was prosecutes by the state it would depend entirely on that states laws.  California for example does have parole, early release programs etc.  A look at his one time partner Tim Scully could be informative.  He was apparently resentenced and then released.  This can happen for snitches, or it could happen due to changes in sentencing guidelines being retroactively applied after the person in question takes the feds to court.

I don’t know their individual cases, didn’t know them or personally, and really that whole west coast crowd is far from my circle so I couldn’t speculate beyond any of that.  But of the dozens of people I’ve known personally that got indicted, the ones that got downward departures ALL told.  The rest did 85% of their time inside, then were released to a federal halfway house for 6 months then put on federal parole/probation.
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News / Re: LSD Chemist William Leonard Pickard to be Released From Prison
« Last post by Jughasvili on October 15, 2021, 01:17:33 PM »
Just read up on Pickard and also Nicholas Sands, and was struck by their totally different punishments for essentially the same crime. Pickard gets a double life sentence (out in 20 yrs but only bc of the pandemic) for LSD manufacturing, while Sands gets 14 yrs and is out in 3! And it was his third or fourth time getting caught and had fled on bail to another country! Anyone have ideas why Sands got such a comparative slap on the wrist?
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Be open about drug use
« Last post by arkoma on October 13, 2021, 04:48:25 PM »
your CAREER of drug use? you getting paid for this?

Depends on your definition of "paid". 40+ years kinda counts as a career......and it enables me to be frank with the young people in my life about what actually is harmful. Not the type of conversation I coulda had with my parents or their peer group.
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News / Re: "A global fight looms over Kratom"
« Last post by carl on October 12, 2021, 05:40:43 PM »
hxxxs://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/09/global-fight-kratom-opioid-alternative-515730

When I had to lay down oxycodone after two years of being prescribed fairly large amounts of it, this stuff was a godsend. Kept my withdrawal to no more inconvenience than mild hay fever.
The sackler family disliked that post :D

Its good to see things moving.
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News / Re: "A global fight looms over Kratom"
« Last post by arkoma on October 12, 2021, 05:37:35 PM »
because opiates make money.

Practically free money, for both big pharma and the criminal organizations,  Where I live we have the "Baptist and Bootlegger Alliance". whose intention is to maintain dry counties, Strange bedfellows with a common goal. keeping the sale of even beer illegal. A bootlegger gets $2 for a 12 oz can of beer, and the Baptists don't have to be offended by the horror of open alcohol sales.
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