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New Clean Gassing Method!
« on: February 04, 2002, 12:52:00 PM »
Gassing is a love hate kind of thing and none of the current methods seem to
perform consistently or safely. Some methods make too much and some make too
little.  Most are difficult to control, more importantly difucult to stop.  SWIVE
has rusted more tools and electronic equipment than he cares to think of. Had a
gassing bottle blow up once (hose clogged suddenly, while he wasn't watching) and
suck back can ruin your whole day. Most drain cleaner Sulfuric Acid contains
foaming additives that create a dangerous mess.

I have tried all the various gassing methods ie: Sulfuric Acid & Salt, Sulfuric
Acid & HCL, Aluminum & HCL, Air bubbled through HCL, but I've never been totally
happy with any of them. The methods using Sulfuric Acid always taste and/or smell
funny. The Aluminum & HCL is wet, week, messy and generates too much heat. The
Air bubbled through HCL is clean but is a little slow for SWIVE's taste. So SWIVE
started thinking how could he improve the process. After all we're just trying to
seperate the HCL from the water, right?

Introducing -> HCL over calcium chloride! Now before you start to whine about how
this won't work like your current method, try this.

Materials

(1) Plastic Wash Bottle
(1) Box of Damp Rid (calcium chloride)
Muratic Acid (HCL)
Something that needs gassing

Method

Take the plastic wash bottle and remove the center tube that runs to the bottom.
Fill the bottle 1/3 full of Damp Rid. Now carefully add muratic acid until about
2/3 of the Damp Rid is covered. Let this sit for 2 minutes.  Your Done!

Usage

To gas you simply squeeze the wash bottle, thats right, insert the tip of the
wash bottle into whatever your gassing and squeeze. pull the tip out before the
end of the squeeze to avoid sucking whatever your gassing into the bottle. Repeat
as needed. You will be surprised at the concentration and dryness of the HCL
produced.  You will also be surprised at how long that small amount of muratic
acid will last. Just shake the bottle every now and then and it will keep coming.
One fill usually lasts SWIVE several rxn's until a refill is needed. Clean,
simple, controllable and no liquid acid to accidenly spill or leak into your
product.

SWIVE used TFSE and did not see a mention of this method, so he thinks it is
original (pat on the back) Now where's the Hive Patent Office. Next I will post
a similar method to produce a constant stream of HCL for you 1/4 pounder cooks.


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PrimoPyro

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2002, 02:21:00 PM »
Quarter pounder cooks? Please! That's a measley 125g! Come on! Is there seriously anybody here that will admit to operating in any quantity under 800g?  :P

If you want to post about fit-in-your-pocket-sized gassing apparati, then take your larvae level ideas to the Newbee Forum. Oh, wait, that's where we are!  ;D  :P  ::)  ;)

Seriously, I believe that I have heard of this method before, sonny, and it is a winner. Thanks for drudging it up again. I was only a playin' wit' ya.  8)

EDIT: Just to make it clear: I was only playing, and really do like your idea.

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2002, 04:20:00 PM »
kapten: this method generates gas by squeezing the bottle. 4L might be a little big to fit in one hand.  Wait for the continuous stream model to be posted soon...

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2002, 07:07:00 PM »
good stuff VE,  can't wait to see the cont. stream model.  one thing though swij feels really dumb about, i'm sure swij could find something else to use but what kind of bottle are you talking about exactly?  remove the center tube???  huh???  swij is lost on that...  just curious...

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2002, 08:56:00 PM »
Jetson:  It's a plastic wash bottle.  Look at any chem supply company cat. or our favorite on-line auction place.  Their cheap so get several, they come in handy for tone washes and other stuff...

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cheeseboy

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2002, 09:24:00 PM »
I think VE's talking about those white, opaqueish, clear water bottles or liquid holding bottles. You know, like those portable eye-wash bottles. Kind of like a water bottle on your Mountain Bike. You know those toker machines that are made from water bottles. The exact same idea, but a joint is put in the hole instead of the centre tube and the joint is put in with the lit end right inside the bottle. Just squeeze the bottle and smoke comes out the end for a nice toke.
  This seems  like a very good way of producing HCl gas. I like that idea lots, only cheese isn't familiar with damp rid.And cheese never gasses anyways, but has tried all three ways (HCl/NaCl/H2SO4- HCl/Al- H2SO4.NaCl) He's read about DampRid in Zubricks though and has a pretty good idea what it is like. Turns blue upon H2O.
kool karl :)

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NightFiend

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2002, 10:43:00 PM »
Hey Hive Prodigy,

A QP is 113.4 grams, not 125.

Figured I'd clear that up.

Fiend  8)

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CRAPSHOOT

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2002, 01:19:00 AM »
When choosing any plastic bottle for acids or solvents you need to know what type of plastic.

Don't want to learn that one the hard way.
LDPE, HDPE, PP, PPCO, FEP, & TFE are fine with HCl.


BenWiFFen

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2002, 01:46:00 AM »
Nothing beats the old garden (hudson) sprayer. Get a small plastic one with the hose for spraying comming out the top. H2s04 and rock(small) salt with a piece of air stone pushed in the end of the hose.

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VinnyC

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2002, 02:05:00 AM »
Dwarfer's rig (bubbling HCL) has worked great for SWIM. If it's too slow for you, you are too impatient.

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2002, 02:53:00 AM »
an example of wash bottles:

http://www.imageevent.com/beenice7711/items



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PrimoPyro

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2002, 03:13:00 AM »
Ah yes Mr. Fiend, but you know I'll bet that SWIPP's customers are much happier people than yours with such a measurement system.  ;)

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2002, 03:36:00 AM »
BenWiFFen: SWIVE's last gasser was the H2SO4 on rock salt variety, but my dog always complained of an unpleasent sulfate taste in the end product.  Even after re-crystalizing there always seemed to be a trace there.  My dogs sense of smell is amazing.

If you like try this next time;  Fill 1/4 the volume of your bug sprayer with Calcium Chloride.  Add muratic acid so about 2/3rds of it is covered.  Pop the top on. Wait a few minutes for the water to start to be absorbed.  Pump up some pressure, Gas away.  See if you don't notice a difference in taste.

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PoohBear4Ever

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2002, 03:41:00 AM »
Why don't you be a little more scientific about this, and give some weights for the proper ratios...

Geesh, I have no clue what you mean by this statement:


Fill 1/4 the volume of your bug sprayer with Calcium Chloride.  Add muratic acid so about 2/3rds of it is covered.




JMO,

PB


pandemonium

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2002, 04:03:00 AM »

Dwarfer's rig (bubbling HCL) has worked great for SWIM. If it's too slow for you, you are too impatient.




Right on, a pump, a bubbler, HCL, salt, and a dryer, then the solvent, and so on, a little automation is a magnificent thing. Got to mount a light just right, for the visual, then you take a smoke break and 5 min later you are good to go.


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Scottydog

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2002, 05:21:00 AM »
Great information VE! Swis doesn't gas but with the overall ease of this method he just might have to theoretically give it a try... :)
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goiterjoe

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2002, 05:48:00 AM »
dwarfer's bubbler system takes longer than the reaction itself, and isn't useful for anything over nano scale.  Seriously, anyone working that small should just titrate in hydrochloric acid and evaporate; it'd be quicker.

I like the sound of calcium chloride and hydrochloric acid for nano scale though.  Nice work.

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Shooting_Star

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2002, 07:22:00 AM »
One other thing on the use of the plastic wash bottles -- If you have more than one lying about with stuff in them -- LABEL them.  (Nothing worse for this than grabbing the one with dH2O instead of HCl!)

burn-out only occurs if you go too fast in the wrong direction

pandemonium

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2002, 07:43:00 AM »
No wonder you have been out of sorts Joe, you need to cook that shit longer. Much longer, IodoE being a neurotoxin and all, or maybe cut down drastically. As for how much how fast, that would depend on the pump, would it not smartass?  your statement is just straight up BS, and I ain't gonna dignify it with any more debate, I criticized no method posted, just stated a fucking fact, Jack. - I have used it and I ain't fucking nanoing. Like I said dood, automation.

These beez know enough physics to know who is talking out his ass here too, so don't even try to draw me in.

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blaztoff

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2002, 11:54:00 AM »
Fman has put the best method by far. Microwave produced HCL gas. Microwave Chemistry is the shit.

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2002, 05:32:00 PM »
Here is a continuous flow model.  Should bee self explanitory
(a modification of the dwarfer model)

Copy & paste this into your browser. 
They wont let you link directly.

http://www.geocities.com/beenice7711/gas.jpg



Note: you will want to include an on/off valve after the air pump and before the unit or an in-line AC power switch.

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PoohBear4Ever

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2002, 06:05:00 PM »


PB

pandemonium

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2002, 06:16:00 PM »
Once you try a switch on and off method, you will look back and say...

"Damn, I was almost so ghetto I was in the WOODS back
then..."
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"Igor" Chong: "hokay boss I need a beer too I think ,my allergies are acting up..."



:o  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

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RoundBottom

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2002, 08:49:00 PM »
nice picture, but... i don't get it.

does the muratic react with the CaCl2, or does the introduction of air cause HCl vapour to escape through the CaCl2 and be dried by it?


i learned a thing or two from charlie dontcha know. <- but apparently not enough

goiterjoe

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2002, 09:07:00 PM »
dwarfer's design didn't put calcium chloride in the same bottle with the hydrochloric.  He used an inline dryer, which wouldn't work near as well.  That design should still have something inline for bees that live in somewhat humid areas, but it looks much better than what dwarfer used to rant about.

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ballzofsteel

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2002, 10:37:00 PM »
Slightly off topic and without a clue,would gassing the freebase with compressed Co2 yeild any xtls eg methcarbonate?

did search,dont understand rxn mechanism,be gentle,thankyou
holdinmeballz :-[

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2002, 10:51:00 PM »
CO2 + H2O <=====---> 'H2CO3'

Might work. But I guess some water has to be present.

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2002, 11:11:00 PM »
RoundBottom:  The CaCl2 absorbs water from the acid releasing HCL Gas at a much faster rate than simply passing air through it.  The pump forces air up through the HCL saturated CaCl2 and then out of the bottle.  The crushed glass keeps the inlet from clogging with CaCl2..

Thanks Pooh for fixing the jpg!

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BenWiFFen

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2002, 12:30:00 AM »
Personally I never cared much for gassing. A/B titrate with hydrochloric acid is easy once you get the hang of it.

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RoundBottom

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2002, 12:51:00 AM »
thx VE.  but is it vapour or gas that hits the CaCl2?  and is there a difference in this application?

i learned a thing or two from charlie dontcha know.

blaztoff

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2002, 01:53:00 AM »
Pressurized garden sprayers last about 2 or 3 gassings then they start to get eaten up by the hcl gass. They dont work that well. Either gas Ipa or  do a search for microwave chemistry gasses. [

http://mattson.creighton.edu/MicrowaveMethod/%5Dthis

  is just about the most easiest foolproof controlable method Ive seen. Thanks Fman

goiterjoe

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2002, 04:55:00 AM »
thought I'd clean up that link for you.

http://mattson.creighton.edu/MicrowaveMethod



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Synthia

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2002, 05:45:00 AM »
that ballzofsteel is bright wee spark, you'd be hard pushed to extingush the fire in his mind. with a name like that swis reckons you've got a handle on working with base.

see how oz says so few words and says so much, when you can do that they make your name red  ;)

in the begining swis could have bits of reaction scattered from start to end meaning that unchanged precussors or compounds formed from side reactions, inexperienced washing or extraction techniques gave rise to undesirables with the planned or unplanned addition of hcl things went to shit

come time for e-vapour-ation swis's inexperience coulda turned out shit the dog would run from. recystalising helped.

i haven't tried dwafers pump, but i like the advantage of going slow if you lack heaps of experience, good venting would still be nessersary wouldn't it.

titiration is a good tool, though swis got some very different results when working with different np solvents.

swis found that some solvents could hold an excessive amount of HCl and in a very short time your goods got trashed, without the experience this can be real nerve-racking and not so flash on yields.

i think hemetite talked about precharging a solvent with hcl, wether he did this with another solvent present i can't remember.

swis doesn't have the full grasp on all of the techniques but is known to split honey and try different work-ups/combo's. its an eye opener.

swis also got plagued with the sulphate pixies, she changed her solvent and acid supplier. with a new brand and somemoney wasted, no more yellow.

i think superassman has a write up on the tale of worlocks kerplunk thread about nutrilising sulphates which could probably get done after you get the goods clear of its more toxic environment.

a term that i haven't seen much is a planned overshoot, for someone like swis who lacks good chem grounding should this be left till later or is more a matter of whats relevent to the each reaction?

thanks blaztoff, i'm off to find fmans microgas thread,

mmm i hope it doesn't make the meth dry and chewy

imagine a creature so powerfull it could extingush life or create it on a mear whim

goiterjoe

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2002, 07:17:00 AM »
hmm, seeing as how some bees, myself included, have found out the hard way that their climate is relatively humid and consequently their honey laden nonpolar solvent still contains considerable amounts of H2O, I wonder if bubbling in CO2 would take care of the water and salt out the honey at the same time?  Does this sound feasible to skip drying and go straight to bubbling CO2, or did I misunderstand Osmium completely?

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BenWiFFen

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2002, 10:39:00 AM »
Psi garden sprayers last about how many? Like I saied I don't gass anymore. But when I did a valve was added to the hose and you don't pump the thing. Hell I use to leave the stuff in it for months on end. Take it outside and clean it with the garden hose. Now if one was to clean it out after using it. Who knows?

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Augustus

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2002, 11:12:00 AM »
Wow - In my dreams I've never gassed but after seeing the pure simplicity of this devise, I just might have to try it in my next dream. Thanks VE!!

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blaztoff

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2002, 11:12:00 AM »
yeah if you dont do any modifications they will not last. And the whole pump doesnt work and will get eaten away quickly.

morpheus

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2002, 01:02:00 PM »
Have found gassed gear not to my liking(probably deeply
rooted psychological).
However VE for originality and pure simplicity I give you
a ten.Should bee called "VE's caveman gassing apparatus"
I'm sure some newbee's and possibly bee's will enjoy it.
Congrads. in order.

ballzofsteel

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2002, 08:10:00 PM »
SWim dreamt of buying one of those soda stream machines we used to make softies with.Wacking her solvent/honey into the supplied bottle,loading her up (pressurised),cranking a bulb through the mix then finding xtls in her soda pop. :) this would be a nice dream.
quick question?Would it be possible to carbonate pfed/ephedrine with dry ice-or any other method?
hmmmmm I wonder.BAllz must go extinguish hair now :-[

VideoEditor

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2002, 09:45:00 PM »
Wether you use the wash bottle or use the pump here are some final tips:

1. Remember their is no reaction between the HCL and the CaCl2.  The CaCl2 is absorbing the water component of the acid liberating the HCL gas.

2. You only want to add as much Muratic Acid as the CaCl2 can absorb.  It will take the CaCl2 several  minutes to start absorbing the water.  The Acid should be fully absorbed in 10-20 minutes, but you can start gassing after the first few minutes.

3. As long as all the liquid Acid is absorbed by the CaCl2 the gas output will be dry.  No additional drying should be nessasary. (though your climate may vary)

4. Do NOT under estimate the amount of gas that will be produced.  Even though not alot of pressure is created,  HCL can slowly drift out of the bottle for days.  Store and/or dispose of it properly, and even if you can't see any gas, don't leave it in any room with metal or electronic equipment you want to continue using.

Personally I like the wash bottle best for its utter simplicity and degree of control.

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2002, 01:15:00 PM »
Does the Calcium Chloride decompose at all, or have you checked that there isnt any side reactions going on?
If it does couldn't there be a chance that there would be other things going up in the Hcl gas?
Have you tried it with Dehydrated Mag Sulphate, I think this would be a little safer to ingest.
Plus I don't think Calcium Chloride treats Meth to kindly does it?
Just a thought?

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2002, 10:10:00 PM »
PlastyK:  I'm not sure if the CaCl2 decomposes or even reacts with the HCL other than to absorb water, at least there is nothing obvious.  Maybee a more knowledgable bee could chime in and answer.  SWIVE has not tried Mag Sulfate.  SWIVE likes CaCl2 because of the pellet shape.  Dry or Damp it does not pack together well and will allow you to blow air thru it.  Your amine never comes in contact with the CaCl2 so it is not at risk unless you suck it into the gasser.

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2002, 03:01:00 AM »
What compounds COULD be formed, other than CaHCL and Cl2, which is highly unlikely, and probably wouldn't cause problems anyway(can MDMA or meth be halogenated?)

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2002, 03:16:00 AM »
Goiterjoe is absolutely correct in his comments regarding humid climates. I think an inline scrubber situated between the apparatus outlet and the exit tube is definitely in order. Maybe I'm being anal (imagine that) but, for small volumes especially, one has very little to lose via such inclusion and potentially a great deal to lose. Minute amounts of moisture are proportionally more significant the smaller the volume of np to be gassed.

Son of a bitch would ya look at that!

Flinger

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2002, 08:49:00 AM »

dwarfer

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Nifty
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2002, 12:17:00 AM »
?I was directed here by a post in CM and
was glad for the continuing education!

This is so cool! Absorbing the water and
cutting the HCl loose!

And the microwave ref is ideal for the
set up I posted in CM"Name this and
win a prize"thread.(or something like
that...)

There should be no reaction with
CaCl2: It's already chlorided itself to
smithereens.

===========================

Although Joe and I have been somewhat
civil to each other as of late, I must
politely point out that he was wrong in
the following statements.


dwarfer's bubbler system takes longer
than the reaction itself, and isn't useful
for anything over nano scale.  Seriously,
anyone working that small should just
titrate in hydrochloric acid and
evaporate; it'd be quicker.




Not true. It is temperature
dependant,but is satisfactory above
about 45 F.  If you plan ahead, the
muriatic bottle can be placed in a crock
pot (standard round gal containers are
just a fit...)


?dwarfer's design didn't put
calcium chloride in the same bottle with
the hydrochloric.  He used an
inline dryer, which wouldn't work near
as well.  That design should still have
something inline for
bees that live in somewhat humid areas,
but it looks much better than what
dwarfer used to rant
about.




Rant?  ;D

I was never aware that CaCl2 could
even be used this way, as said before.

Usually, I use microwave dried epsoms
salt, which is much cheaper.

I've taken to doing the gassing in a filter
flask, with the suction aspirator taking
the HCl down the drain: wish I'd
thought of that before most of my tools
turned to rust...

One of the stealth advantages to the
technique Joe is deprecating is that you
can run a small vinyl tube to some
remote outside location and do your
gassing there..

Oh well: excellent thread :)  i loveit.



dwarfer

LoW_JacK

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Re: Hey Hive Prodigy, A QP is 113.
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2002, 04:07:00 AM »

Hey Hive Prodigy,

A QP is 113.4 grams, not 125.

Figured I'd clear that up.




What does that matter smartass
You aint doing either one 113.4 or 125.

So take your 15g.cookin', matchbook scrapin' ass to the FLASK with all that QP BS.


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Update!
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2002, 02:16:00 PM »
Thanks Dwarfer!

SWIVE has been using this method in his dreams for a while now and He'd like to share some observations. Use the wash bottle for Nano 1-10 grams or for indoor stealth (I still say your crazy if you gas indoors) I have tried the HOCDAG version on dreams up to 90 grams with much success.  No suckback, no sulfur taste contamination. This method seems to work best if you add only enough HCL to thoroughly wet the CaCl2, it should not bee drowning in a pool of it.  In either version give the CaCl2 3 ot 4 mins to start dehydrating the HCL before using. So far no need for additional drying.  Next I might dream about adapting this to a "bug sprayer" no need for electricity or pumps as you can pump it up.

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bug sprayers
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2002, 02:34:00 AM »
Following your suggestion, my neighbor, Marvin,
bought a large mouth 2 liter bug sprayer
ALL PLASTIC AND RUBBER
from a neighborhood drug store for
??$11??i think it was..

Dumped in some CaCl2,
and plungered up a head of steam.

It really does quick work:
it's the only thing that in my biased opinion
might give a run against the aquarium/HCl/dryer thingy
 that I allegedly "rant" about according to some..

One thing:  when you are "done"
with the first time,
 but wanna save it for the next time,
you know?  Like maybe tomorrow or next Saturday??

Lay the sucker on it's side,
 because when the solution
kinda runs together like
cement beneath the plunger,
it's a bitch to pressurize.

If it makes cement in a side-
confirmation, no biggee..

Leastwise, that's what Marvin said:
as for me I haven't a klue. ;)

nifty

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Question
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2002, 04:07:00 AM »
Sorry, if the Squid missed it but, How would one quench this reaction.
Flood with H2O???







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blaztoff

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Pump sprayers
« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2002, 08:51:00 AM »
If you leave the mix into the pump sprayers for any length of time without modifing it you will end up with a cloud evrywhere. It will eat through the pump real quick. Like in a matter of days. Especially around the pump.

VideoEditor

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quench
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2002, 06:24:00 AM »
squidd: there's not much of or any reaction to quench.  I am simply dehydrating the HCL.  For cleanup you could drench it in water.

Dwarfer: Here's a tip to get rid of that cement block.  Add a small amount of acetone, wait a few, then shake apart.  It should break up into small pieces.

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urushibara

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carbonate salts
« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2003, 09:31:00 AM »
can anyone say anything about the viability of using carbon dioxide to generate carbonates in water and thence causing honeys of various flavours to transform into carbonate salts?

It would be rather tidy, since carbonate ions in excess of requirements would simply turn into carbon dioxide when drying down. It may be impractical though, it all depends on what form the carbonate salt makes the salts, and how well it is retained when dehydrated.


Scottydog

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Thanks VE!
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2004, 02:02:00 PM »
I can't believe that it took nearly two years from the time this thread was originally posted, before Swim finally decided to try out this gassing method.

It produces quite a bit of gas with very little work involved.

As per Geez' recommendations, Swim used an empty 32 oz IPA bottle, a #3 rubber stopper, drilled a hole in the stopper with a 1/4" drill bit to accommodate a 2 foot section of aquarium tubing.

Swim accidently poured in too much muriatic acid.

When he discovered that it wasn't producing any gas, he just decanted the excess acid from the damprid for later use. Connected the stopper w/ tubing, gave it a quick shake and off it went.  :)

When gas production decreased, all it took was to add a little more acid.

After awhile, crystals will start to form on the tubing.  ;)

This works awesome as a follow-up to the "tetra trap"; resulting in gakkless pseudo.

Swim would guess that one can easily gas 6- 1 quart mason jars, containing 750ml of NP solvent in under 10 minutes.

When finished, one can remove the stopper and put the original IPA lid back on in anticipation of future projects.

Specific gakks travel with water. As I'm sure bees that prefer to titrate, realize by now. No water = No gakk!

Swim used xylene as the NP solvent and dried with baked MgSO4 prior to gassing, although not certain if it was entirely necessary. The GUPS tend to absorb alot of water in the tetra trap.

Swim can also attest to improved yields over titration. Wareami mentioned it before, but Swim can definately see a correlation between heat, evaporation and smaller yield percentages.

With this gassing method, I'm sure one can theoretically pick up a few gs both before and after the rxn.

Recrystallization takes care of the rest.

Much thanks to Geez and VE...

Edit: Coincidently, someone had to start a new thread on the same subject.  ::)

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wyndowlicker

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Hey now,
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2004, 11:28:00 PM »
Hey now,


This post was when I tried it for the first time and havent went back since.Its so nice and easy!I used a squeeze bottle tip thats got a nice angle and a taper so nothing comes over during the process just add CACl2 to it a splash of Hcl and wallah!
  :P


Methiah

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damp rid + HCl didn't work for me.
« Reply #55 on: February 29, 2004, 02:51:00 PM »
SWIM tried your method. The crystals that formed were all caustic. Why?

auntyjack

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methiah
« Reply #56 on: February 29, 2004, 05:12:00 PM »
how did swim determine that these crystals were caustic...the only thing swij thinks it could be is that somehow the results of the ph test were read upside down or backwards, which would be to imply that idiocy is afoot....damn idiocy!!


auntyjack

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hcl or muriatic
« Reply #57 on: February 29, 2004, 07:13:00 PM »
what concentration hcl are you guys using?


sassypants

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muriatic acid
« Reply #58 on: March 01, 2004, 10:51:00 AM »
ok, so it seems that the pool guys in my neck of the woods are not using muriatic acid anymore. Seems that there is a new *safer* pH down for pools. I think its a conspiracy against beekind, but hey, never said I wasn't paranoid. So what kind of places still sell it? Is it somthing I could ask for at my local smalltown dump hardware store, or do I have to go to the hardware megalopolis. I think I saw the damp rid at my local hw store. Also think I saw some kind of cacl ice melter once, but I could be looney.
Note: the garden sprayer pump-bottle w/ a hose thing makes a damn good krv.

ApprenticeCook

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not using muriatic?!?
« Reply #59 on: March 01, 2004, 01:03:00 PM »
"safer pH down"? what is it, did you look?
Swim went in to buy some for a previous dream and bought sh*t loads, common and cheap, wonder why in your area they have decided to replace it with a possibly more expensive route....  :o
Look in the big ass stores, they always have stock and are usually too busy to give two craps bout who buys what!

Methiah

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How caustic? The X-tals burn skin
« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2004, 02:03:00 AM »
Auntyjack: SWIM didn't test its pH. SWIM picked a crystal out of the liquid and touched it to SWIM's lips and tounge. The crystal burned. A friend picked it up to examine it, and it burned his finger. SWIM knows ephedrine salt is bitter and salty, not burn-y.

k0dog

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WTF...
« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2004, 04:36:00 AM »
OK first off usually the product you want is used to clean concrete.  Pool places have it for this reason because pool usually are built from concrete.

They did not replace it with "pH down" because that was never the purpose of muriatic acid, it was to clean concrete.. not as pool alkalizer...At least I am pretty sure..


Bond_DoubleBond

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Re: Methiah: SWIM picked a crystal out of the...
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2004, 05:47:00 AM »

Methiah: SWIM picked a crystal out of the liquid and touched it to SWIM's lips and tounge.  The crystal burned.




that's real fucking smart buddy.  keep up the good work.


ApprenticeCook

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Smart, so very very smart
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2004, 06:36:00 AM »

Methiah - A friend picked it up to examine it, and it burned his finger.



Hell yeah, sounds like the friend aint to bright either... Be it caustic or acidic, neither are really fantastic for biological systems (eg your MOUTH!).....
pH paper is cheap and better than burns on your tongue your more than likely suffering from now!

And dont call it "X", thats the street name for a myriad of generic crap incl asprin pills, around the hive its MDMA, the target compounds acronym.