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The Hive => Chemicals & Equipment => Topic started by: superman on April 15, 2003, 03:54:00 AM

Title: heating mantle vs. hotplate
Post by: superman on April 15, 2003, 03:54:00 AM

i'm trying to decide whether i should purchase a heating mantle or a hotplate for my first lab.  it will be used primarily for making HI via H3PO4+KI and of course reacting that in a H3PO3 reaction.  both reactions will be done at the 1L size.

from what i've researched the heating mantle is safer, more energy effecient and offers more precise control than the hotplate.  is there anything i'm not factoring into this??    what do the more experienced bee's use?

Title: Depends on the money you want to spend
Post by: gabd on April 15, 2003, 04:29:00 AM

After trying both the hotplate and the mantle, I have to say mantles are much better because they offer a finer control over temperature and is much quicker also.
The bad side is that you need different mantles for different flask for optimum performance.

If i was sure only to use a 1L then Id go with the mantle. But you will probably need a stirrer too, which comes with the hotplates most of the time. So its a matter of choice,
I know I like mantles much better

Title: i was under the impression that not stirring a
Post by: superman on April 15, 2003, 04:47:00 AM

i was under the impression that not stirring a h3po3 cook at the 1L level wouldn't have much of an impact on yeilds.  if i can get by with the mantle and no stirrer for now,  i would prefer to do so simply because it is a better piece of equipment to use. 

unless the sites i've seen are misleading,  i should be able to get a surplus 1L mantle for under $150can right?   certainly seems worth the money

Title: Yes Yes Yes
Post by: Barium on April 15, 2003, 11:14:00 AM

Get yourself a mantle. You cannot compare the efficiency of a mantle with a hotplate. Even better, get a mantle with a intergrated magnetic stirrer.

Title: hmm
Post by: rudebwoy on April 19, 2003, 01:18:00 AM

I think i've seen cheaper 1L heating mantles than 150 us.

I recommend going for a soft jacketed heating mantle and just get a stirrer later on when you make enough cashr0x for a stirrer later on.  
Of course that is if you are going to keep using a 1L heating mantle.

You could always get a 2L heating mantle and fill it with sand for your 1L and use it for future usage.
or 4L but would take some time heating the sand. 

you have to think of the future.  
Invest.

Title: mantle
Post by: superman on April 19, 2003, 07:59:00 AM

i appreciate everyone's advice.  i've decided to stick with 1L, no stirring until i'm ready to jump up a few notches or move onto a different project.

i can't wait ;)

Title: My '03 BigKhem catalog has some thermolyne...
Post by: wannaBEE on June 01, 2003, 01:14:00 PM

My '03 BigKhem catalog has some thermolyne heating tape you might wanna look into. ive never used it myself, but im gettin ready to put in an order. it has heating elements dipped in fibrox or silicone with a 482c max temp. you can wrap it around any size flask, use it with a mag stirrer, still see your rxn, and its actually pretty cheap. look around.

Title: No stirring? Are you nuts?
Post by: yellium on June 01, 2003, 01:19:00 PM

No stirring? Are you nuts?

Title: flask heating
Post by: superman on June 01, 2003, 05:41:00 PM

i'll have to look into the tape.  thanks for telling me :)

yellium:   i was under the impression that stirring the h3po3 rxn @ 1L wasn't of significant influence on yeilds,   am i mistaken?

Title: always stir while heating
Post by: Rhodium on June 02, 2003, 01:50:00 AM

Yes, stirring is very important, or else the heating of the reaction mixture will be very uneven - very hot near the edges and significantly less towards the center.

Title: Hmmm, come to think of it!
Post by: mnm on August 11, 2003, 02:20:00 PM

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My '03 BigKhem catalog has some thermolyne heating tape you might wanna look into. ive never used it myself, but im gettin ready to put in an order. it has heating elements dipped in fibrox or silicone with a 482c max temp. you can wrap it around any size flask, use it with a mag stirrer, still see your rxn, and its actually pretty cheap. look around.

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When you mentioned that, kids remembered seeing something similar at the local surplus store. Having owned a mantle or six in the past we recalled the texture was consistant.

Not sure if this is what you are reffering to "thermolyne heating tape" but it'd probably do the trick. This was the smallest size, there were differing lengths and diameters available.

(https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/hive/hiveboard/picproxie_docs/000426781-file_gqas.jpg)

Title: rubber coated tapes
Post by: RoundBottom on August 12, 2003, 05:19:00 AM

also available are the silicon rubber coated variety, good to about 250°C, and can be used in a standard mantle controller.  good for wrapping around pyrex carboys for large isomerizations, and performics.  a couple 12' tape can be had cheap on your favorite auction site.

(https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/hive/hiveboard/picproxie_docs/000426781-file_0t8w.jpg)