little smoke in LWR?

[JUMPER]

SWIM is trying his first LWR with a 2000ml flask. His amount of goods falls into Rhodiums flask size chart well. The ratio is fb:1,I2:1.25,mbRP:1,and dH2O:.8ml per gm fb.
   Added them per Whereami's post of fb and I2 first, then dH2O, then after liquid added MBRP. SWIM then took from ice bath to slowly heat over two hours to oil bath temp of 120C.
   SWIM did get some white smoke throughout the increase in temp which was nice, however also got some yellow heavier smoke for about 10-15 seconds during oil to shake to ice bath again for cool. SWIM has read this to be RP fire and reacted asap.
   SWIM has been hot now for around 10 of 36hr stretch. Did the short RP fire in flask change time for SWIM's LWR?
   From what's been read here at the hive, SWIM thought he wouldn't have any worries like this, but is trying to equate it with the size batch possibly or because the MBRP was on top? Wareami don't tell me if I would have used 1ml of dH2O per gram it wouldn't have happened either! Ha Ha 
   What should SWIM look for if he wanted to drag a 48hr out of this or what might need to be added or changed?
   Oh yeah, pseudo cleaned per Tetra trap with Scottydog's extras, MBRP cleaned per Rhodium's site for cleaning, and I2 is prill.

[wareami]

The yellow smoke was reacted upon hastily and incorrectly.
Red, purple, or darkish orange smoke is not a good sign and one should look to remedy this ASAP before things get out of hand when it occurs.
JUMPER JUMPED the gun at the first sign of Good Yellow Colored Smoke!
Oh well....What was done to remedy this ASAP(I'm afraid to ask... )...?
If more h2o was added then reset the alarm to go the full 48hr...
If it was just taken off heat til smoke died down then just let it cook steady temp with stirring or swirling at 6-8hr intervals.
Also, the order in which ingredients are added should incororate thorough intimate mixing inbetween each addition and at the end! This way no large concentration is centered in any area of the flask and we'll see no more suggestions or insinuations such as MBRP beeing on top....Right? Okay...thought so!

And with the LWR, there is no need for the IceBath in the beginning because the ingredients are sufficiently diluted with the dh2o that prevents a fast takeoff.
Ibee says, Just let it cook!
Ohhhh....and no bombmaking this time!

[JUMPER]

So white and yellow are both okay all of the time? I know I read some elder bee talking about yellow smoke being a RP fire, is it bad to a quick P/P? SWIM just cooled it for a little bit and slower warming to 120C. SWIM knows It's not suppose to need an ice bath to start but doesn't trust these little precursers at all!
    Will it need longer now to complete since SWIM (not JUMPER!) jumped the gun with the smoke?

[wareami]

Just set it and forget it except for the stir/swirl times.
Yellow in any rxn isn't a significant worry.
Just reddish or darker!
And this usually won't occur unless the ratio of MBRP to E is equal or better.

[Jacked]

I've seen so heavy colored smoke and some hot fast starts but never have I seen a flask fire. A fire needs O2 to burn and I don't think there is very much in the flask at this time.. Even if that is not the case I still have never seen a flask fire....

[JUMPER]

I researched to find where I saw about the Phos fire in flask and it was at Worlocks meth synthesis page under REACTIONS, at Rhodium Drug Chemistry Archives. It does say that the thick yellow or darker is a fire in the flask, but I appretiate the updates!
    SWIM now has the two different maroons, one very light and the other dark, however the light colored one that was kind of like a film on top is now also seeming to stick to the bottom of the flask also even with swirling every five to seven hours.
    Is this a problem or can it be because about a third of MBRP is in it's third reaction? Proper cleaning's were done in between and never appeared grey.
    SWIM needs to be finished during certain time in day and took much longer to get started at 120c. Will it hurt to add a little more I2 to take off some hours or would it be better to just slowly add more heat to get to PACMAN bubbles for finish? Already well over 24hr stretch but maybe a little too much dH2O for under 36 to 48!
    Appreciate the help from knowledgeable bees!!!

[geezmeister]

The smoking was likely caused by having good mbrp in excess in the flask, and all your iodine. I add less mbrp when I use it, and add the I2 in portions if needed to prevent smoking. I think everyone develops a method they are familiar with and enjoy, and follow it.

The smoke you saw was not a problem.

I had a flask fire in a coffee pot years ago when I was doing very dry type reactions and mixed some good I2 with some fresh lgrp. I couldn't get the smoking thing out. I almost got the fire department called because of the smoke. After that, I made sure to mix my ingredients with a little water before having I2 and rP both added to the flask.

I think with that size flask, and a condenser, 120C oil bath temp may be a little too low to heat the contents of the flask to just below 100C. The combinations vary a lot, and the flask size, reaction size, how well the condenser is working, etc-- all have an effect on inside temp. You should check it with a thermometer if possible. If you do not have a thermometer, adjust the heat until bubbles cover roughly half the surface of the solution in the flask. The flasks I use and the size reactions I run seem to show this much bubbling just before 100C.

[JUMPER]

SWIM knows he didn't add the precursers the way you did. But since he used your water ratio and cook time to wareami's after that thread debate between you two, SWIM took his method of adding precursers and still fucked that up!
   SWIM just trying to give props to both of your techniques.
   Wouldn't third time use of MBRP make the reaction need more?
   Thanks for the advice on the flask size and it makes sense to turn it up a little and watch since SWIM is  running out of time!

[wareami]

I've seen so heavy colored smoke and some hot fast starts but never have I seen a flask fire.

I have never seen a flask fire either in the numerous hot/dry fast rxns that Ibee has run. Not in the literal sense of the term. But thanx to Jacked's and Worlock's early teachings and words of wisdom, two were avoided by taking their advice. The suggested ASAP remedy was to quench the improperly ratio`ed rxn with dh2o. Loss was suffered during the short time it smoked heaviest purple.
It was pretty to watch...but I'd rather watch a lava lamp after a hit or two of purple microdot.

that thread debate between you two
I wish bees wouldn't see that thread and interpret it as a debate. Geez and Ware come from different backgrounds but have a common goal in learning and sharing that is fueled by doing the research necessary for validation. And finally putting bees in the envelope of success. You might say it's kind of remarkable how two bees that have never met arrive at the same conclusions more often than not.
When we disagree on an applicable approach or a fundamental principal, I know I start retracing steps and analyzing in an effort to see what I might have missed that he picked up on and I feel Geez does the same.
I have sat dumbfounded some times when seeing the miraculous similarities reported by several bees but mostly Geez's knack for detail and never missing in a beat regarding the pill extraction front. His findings mirror my own in many cases.
Neither have a desire to compete with the other and neither are running for office, so I don't see our preferences in variations or discussions spawned as debates...
I do know with confidence that what He and Ibee share in there findings and suggestions can be applied with a higher level of certainty by other bees that put them in the success range if followed properly.
Without applying suggestions from Geez's circle, I'm confident that they work. There are only a select few bees that I can say that for without varification or confirming.
With that said...

Wouldn't third time use of MBRP make the reaction need more?

Not necessarily...if the previous rxns ran clean and the MBRP was cleaned properly it's not unheard of for it to be as strong as was if not stronger than the first run.
If any trash is left on the MBRP after cleaning...the rxn has a funny way of stripping it of that trash during the first run.
Obviously, the redder it is, the better. It will begin to grey as it gets weaker.
Ibee always flash tests his MBRP with fire by taking a small portion and seeing how it burns beforeand after rxns.

Now back to the rxn at hand.
Since you decided to go with the best of both worlds
And since the inhabitants are marching to the beats of different drummers , Ibee has to stick to guns in the customary drive-by fashion and and say Go with the 48hr and avoid trying to tweak it to fit into a smaller time frame.
That tweaking in and of itself is the cause of many disappointments and failures and then the ones getting blamed are the good bees offering the guidance rather than the tweeking inhabitant of both worlds holding a bigger hammer trying to slam the square peg in the round hole.
This rxn already has one strike against it, not with the amount of dh2o but with the inconsistancy in heating coupled with the inconsistancy of how the reactants came in contact with one another throughout the rxn.
Those reactants work best when they are evenly dispersed in the beginning in order for the recyling of the highest HI percentage generation over time, exposed to what is being reduced.
If a bee has a huge clump of RP or I2 stuck on the bottom someware....the rxn may suffer some collateral damage

[spectralshift]

But Geez what about yellow smoke in small freebase reactions?

When I read your H3PO3 tests I took the small wisp of yellow smoke as a minor kink in your mastery of the HI rxn, but that on a small to nano-rxn it would bee a bad error, no?

[JUMPER]

Ware thanks for the input on the MBRP third use and the other help you've given. Other than that shitty 48hr info and knowing that SWIM takes no blame and will most definitely blame you if things fail (just teaseeing)!
   Don't feel like debates are a battle like when we were in school. The bee who posted that after you two gave your opinions of styles probably just meant it in fun because of your and Geez comments. Debates are just good communication and opinions brother!
   So when in your post you say that you add your Ephedrine first, then your I2, then your dH2O, and let sit till liquid. Then you add your RP and heat and forget about it, your RP is added in smaller doses over time and mixing? JUMPER is confused and doesn't understand what you mean in last post above.
   SWIM raised temperature to 135C and got a boiling frenzy, so he must have been close to the right temp. all along. Please agree even if SWIM's wrong or he'll cry!  

[wareami]

WTF? Are you nuckin futs?
It's against the rules to agree even if your right!

> your RP is added in smaller doses over time and mixing?

No! If that was the case it wouldn't be set it and forget.
•Add E to flask
•Add I2 to E in flask
•Stir until liquid and all I2 is intimately mixed.(No clumps)
•Add dh2o stir
•Add MBRP/RP stir and cap with balloon or condensor.
Set on heat source then set thermostat to the 100°C mark.
It's kay to watch as the internal temp rises to make sure all is going as planned with the HI generation.
Set your alarm for 8hr stirring intervals.
As the rxn progresses, the reactants will collect on the flask sides and hold RP. Ibee likes the 8hr stirrings to knock it all back down into the reactants where it does the most good.

More than likely, I expect to be tied to the whipping post by the floggers, WizardX, Orgy, and Ballzofsteel for not suggesting making the HI first.
But this is the way Ibee does it.

[livid]

swims first sucsessful rxn went off so violent, he had to quinch it with h2o, turning it from a push-pull to a wet dream. he was so scared, he almost chucked the whole thing out the window,then he said to himself , preparing and extracting and acquiring all these precursors was a lot of hard work and time. he held on to his stopper for dear life, untill he got things under control. he sat there the entire time watching everything for many hours, took a guess when he thought it was done, and did the standard work-up. then he stayed up for 3 days on a 20 bag. the end

[Jacked]

Swim mixes the E and Rp then chills it right in the reaction vessel in an ice bath, after a bit he adds the I2 followed by the H2O, caps it off then rolls the flask around until all is liquefied, Hardly any smoke is produced, a white mist sometimes, This proceeds into it's own course as smooth as a baby's ass...No mus No fuss.. The amount of H2O is important as well. more for longer refluxes is good and less for short runs is sometimes good unless you are me then it all is good. hahahahaahha, Just kidding.. Well, not really..

[spectralshift]

Swim mixes the E and Rp then chills it right in the reaction vessel in an ice bath, after a bit he adds the I2 followed by the H2O, caps it off then rolls the flask around until all is liquefied, Hardly any smoke is produced, a white mist sometimes, This proceeds into it's own course as smooth as a baby's ass...

That's the method swim absorbed too, using an ice bath, water bath, warm water, mug of hot water. 
Jacked is the wisp of white smoke HI or the "highly toxic' gas Argox says that is produced at the beginning of HI production?

[geezmeister]

Spectralshift: I haven't seen any yellow smoke in quite a few of these of reactions now. I can't recall it having been a problem when I did. I really can't say that I have identified the source of the yellow smoke, or that it bodes ill for the reaction to see it. I simply don't know.

[Jacked]

"Jacked is the wisp of white smoke HI or the "highly toxic' gas Argox says that is produced at the beginning of HI production? "

 Hell man, I have no idea. I know sometimes later into the start its actually moisture and a very fine mist taking on the resemblance of smoke.  

Yellow, green and brown colored smoke, Swim thinks it is I2 from tincture that generates these colors because it's never seen using lab grade I2. (by swim anyway) The I2 from tincture has a moisture content that when the three reactants come together raw they react faster causing hotter Smokey starts..The three I was referring to would be Rp, I2 with a small amount of H2O present in or on every other crystal.

Not relevent but Look up the word tincture anyway, webester says it's "A coloring or dyeing substance; a pigment. 2. An imparted color; a tint. 3. A quality that colors, pervades, or distinguishes." I know it's just a coincidence but had to go there, hehehehe

[spectralshift]

hehe your a bloody idiot jacked! but excellent, thanks a lot for the response! You only come out on special occasions!
Well as long as I know swij is seeing the same thing  

10x

[JUMPER]

Oh Yeah!! Fuckin Yeah!! Oh Yeah!!  JUMPER's, I mean SWIM's LWR went for 48hrs without him shooting anything in his house from angry no patience pacing and worrying!
   The only fuck up came from dropping the 2000ml flask while trying to take a drink of SWIM's Crown Royal after rxn complete. But no worries SWIM pissed himself, launched the 1/5th of Crown flying, and caught the top of the flask after it bounced perfectly off my one slipper and back up and away towards the concrete floor. After numerous kisses of the side of flask SWIM went upstairs to have a great A/B per Geez: "post reaction workup" and then Chicken and Geez combined recrystallization methods!
   The yield only came back at around 72% from psuedo fb and SWIM has no clue on purity because he's only tried one other product from fast P/P where he got 53% yield and it was yellow and made SWIM agitated and the rambling typist on the "Tetra trap thread".
   No experienced friends over yet to be guinea pigs, but SWIM got a great body rush,warm euphoric feeling for quite a while,pulse doubled in around a minute,stayed up talking with girlfriend all night,now it's the next night and still no agitation or anxiety. SWIM feels like he could sleep anytime he wants,which should be next week some time.
   Only drawbacks were SWIM's jaw felt tight like on double dose MDMA and girlfriend said she didn't get the helicopter sound like when she tried years ago. Oh yeah, and my dick looks like I am five and Chinese and I can't piss!
   So someone with some knowledge in this category please tell me do these effects sound like things came out okay, good, or excellent? It blew the doors off the other yellow shit that SWIM was better off snorting big lines. This took about the size of the bottom of a cigarette on end and no nasty yellow shit left on foil like before and gagging.
   All clean baby and with no help from anyone at all! SWIM did it all by himself and didn't even have to ask for advice from the Hive. He also didn't have to have Wareami and Geez on their fucking computers for days answering numerous PM's from him in urgency because he was scared shitless!
   Thanks to the Hive,The Tetra Trap with scottydog's input, and mostly to two cool mother fucking bee's named Ware and Geez who baby stepped the stranger through the LWR. JUMPER can give compliments but will never take blame for anything!

   Ware let me know if want me to shoot that nagging bitch spectralshitt who needs to go find a guy to pull that rag out and fuck her. There's no way that spunkashit could be a guy! Wow it's liberating to no longer be just a stranger, but a bee! Does that paragraph sound familiar to you spunkashit!  

  Jacked, think the yellow would probably have to do with the I2 because of coloring when breaking down. But SWIM's I2 is medical Iodine prill which is pure and dry, not tincture. thanks for the input though!

[gluecifer69]

Only drawbacks were SWIM's jaw felt tight like on double dose MDMA and girlfriend said she didn't get the helicopter sound like when she tried years ago. Oh yeah, and my dick looks like I am five and Chinese and I can't piss!
 
    If you can't piss either you did too much or the shit was not all the way done and there are still some unreduced intermediates in it.  However, my dick usually only shrinks when I am dehydrated or very cold.
    These are only observation's that Gluecifer has experienced before and those were the causes.  Obviously not being able to urinate is not a good thing, Keep that in mind.  

[SHORTY]

If you have consumed any liquids and really cannot urinate then you should get to the hospital.  Seriously, being unable to urinate is a medical emergency usually the result of kidney failure.  If you haven't consumed any water then you should and if you do and still can't urinate then call an ambulance cause you won't bee able to drive. Unless the hospital is across the street.

[livid]

lots of things can prevent urination. blatter issues,prostate problems, the list goes on.

[Dragan]

It`s normal to have problem to piss when someone take biglines

[BOS]

[JUMPER]

Wow the love is great! Nobody cares that my dick looks like an asian five year old, you're all worried about my health! Fuck my health and get a dick pump fast!
   Since I drive the ambulance,it probably wouldn't be smart to call my fellow employees and have them take me to the hospital where my medical director will see and hear me!
   I just meant that I can't piss as much as normal and the fluids are retained a little more, no problem but appreciated.
    DRAGAN how large of a amount equals the bottom circle of a cigarette? That big line was from the yellow fast P/P shit. I don't know how much to do but I will definitely stop when my heart beat breaks a couple ribs!
   The real emphasis of helpful feedback I could use is on the effects that I'm feeling and do things sound like they went okay,good,or great! No experience with the ones to go up, just the opiates.
    
   Also was just to give kudo's and thanks to the tons of info here and the guys who let me fill up their PM's with questions as to not waste thread space.

PLEASE HURRY WITH THE DICK PUMP, I'M SHRINKING!

[biotechdude]

"...No experienced friends over yet to be guinea pigs, but SWIM got a great body rush,warm euphoric feeling for quite a while,pulse doubled in around a minute,stayed up talking with girlfriend all night,now it's the next night and still no agitation or anxiety. SWIM feels like he could sleep anytime he wants,which should be next week some time.
   Only drawbacks were SWIM's jaw felt tight like on double dose MDMA and girlfriend said she didn't get the helicopter sound like when she tried years ago. Oh yeah, and my dick looks like I am five and Chinese and I can't piss!..."

Thats a pretty good summary of some pretty nice gear.  You'll probably feel the need to clean up soon... The dick thing is normal... it depends on the meth isomer ratios - dictated by feedstock and rxn method.

From Callen No 478837
"...Reason being...d-meth is psychological, i.e; mainly affecting the mind...and No hard on. l-meth is more physically oriented. You can play your woman like a fine Fender Strat or Gibson Les Paul.The physical sensations are overwhelming. 5-hour sex marathons are the norm...your dick stays rock hard the whole time whereas with just d-meth you have a half-rigid, limp dick that is semi-hard at ejaculation. Doesn't impress the woman much...".

HOWEVER, it is advisable that whilst under the influence of meth; you need to 'pretend' you're normal.  That is, although you don't feel hungry, thirsty, tired or need to piss..., you need to have your rests, eat whatever you can force down your throat, and drink fluids and try and push out a piss whenever you can muster up the will power. 

This makes the comedown less harsh, and your body more healthy(er).  Now some may be like 'fuck health'..but think of it this way.., the longer your healthy, the longer you can get high and mighty.  The alternative is nasty ass comedowns that last days; the only way to feel better again is to hit the gear..COUGH!-JUNKY-COUGH! COUGH!

[geezmeister]

I think you're really close, but still aren't quite where you want to be. The jaw clench suggests the presence of unreduced intermediates with the meth. Other symptoms, such as difficulting urinating, are common with meth , but seem to me to be more pronounced with bathes that are not quite fully reduced. Remember to stay hydrated and nourished.

Meth certainly increases interest in sex, and seems to make it much more enjoyable and intense; nothing about meth improves your erectile function. Meth impairs erectile function, particularly when you do too much of it. Unreduced intermediates, byproducts-- or combinations of them-- seem to me to impair erectile function more than too much meth.  That is just my take on it, from experience.
Sleep deficits can play a role in this too, but at times the tiredness will help relax an overamped body enough for the sexual response to kick back in. That last fuck of a long, hot weekend is sometimes the hottest one of all.

That is always a good way to wind up a weekend, IMHO.  

[SHORTY]

Well i guess i over reacted on the not being able to piss thing.  My wife recently donated on of her kidneys to her brother in order to save his life and i remember reading that if you are unable to urinate then you should seek medical help immediately cause the kidneys hold alot of toxins and if they are unable to release them then it could bee fatal. 

I have never experienced any dick problems associated with meth except.  Does that mean my meth is weak or what?

[spectralshift]

Wow! didn't know you were married Shorta!

Well i guess i over reacted on the not being able to piss thing.  My wife recently donated on of her kidneys to her brother in order to save his life and i remember reading that if you are unable to urinate then you should seek medical help immediately cause the kidneys hold alot of toxins and if they are unable to release them then it could bee fatal. 

I've got problems urinating, it happened whilst on DXM syrup.HBr, and my kidney's do kind of get sore sometimes when I lay on my side. Maybee I did limited damge on the DXM trip (2YRs ago).

I told the Dr I had problems urinating and that it was a waiting game and he didn't care the R-hole! He just wanted to make money off the next patient.

Ill go see someone again because of this reminder. It has improved, but I still have to wait sometimes.

[JUMPER]

Shorty, I read your post and I felt like shit! I had to go back and read mine to see what I said that made you feel like you overreacted. You read right about those kidneys and the dangers from not pissing. Not only are they the most important factor in controlling the A/B's and our PH system. Which kills us when the acids and ions aren't processed or toxins released, but also plays a huge role in our cardiac output and blood pressure.
   I think that honey shoots out a bunch of ADH hormones that are produced in our kidneys and that is what causes the lag in piss. Once a bunch of ADH gets released it makes the body think that it needs more water even if your not dehydrated. So even if you drink a lot of water like myself, your body pushes it into your blood and tissue causing you to get edema, or extra water everywhere but out. This also would explain why even with my high water intake when I piss it is very concentrated and yellow from toxins. Your body is being tricked into pushing that water out where it doesn't need to go and not helping clean out the system. That is why you have to concentrate or think about pissing, because your body doesn't want to lose any fluids because of all the damn ADH floating around.
   So just be careful the other way because drinking excess water while on a binge will cause edema everywhere from the body trying to compensate for no reason and then we thrash our heart from to much Sodium or Potassium. That's when that funky heartbeat is going to start wasting you.
   The kidneys are no joke my brother and I am sorry to hear about your wife and her surgery. If you were serious then you should know that you guys are in for a long haul if she doesn't take care of herself. Way too much responsibility in them kidneys. Do they think she will have to start dialysis or is she pretty healthy otherwise.
   Hope the best for you guys and no more making me feel sad in posts!
   Thanks for all the input on SWIM's results bee's!!

   Spectralshift, I do know medicine and I feel confident that if you quit straining so hard mentally to try and thrash people in posts, especially my two main tutors. Your kidney's will feel better and you wont have any more trouble pissing. Oh yeah,and you can't be doing any meth either. Sorry but I think it's better for everyone!

         

[SHORTY]

I think you misread , my wife gave one of her kidneys to her brother who was on dialysis.  She was the only one in her family that was compatible.  Its been a year since the surgery and she didn't have any complications other than the fact that we live in a different country which is on the opposite side of the planet, so she had to endure 30 hours of air travel to get back home.

[JUMPER]

That's cool that everything went well and her body has compensated well. Sometimes that doesn't end up being the case even though were suppose to. If she ever kicks you in the balls remember which side has the kidney to hit!

EDIT! EDIT! Previous post!  

   Also our hormone ADH-anti diuretic hormone is excreted from the pituitary gland which receives it's impulses from the Hypothalumus in brain, which in turn gets it's cues from our fucking kidneys. The more I read, the more were fucked by our kidneys when honey is involved!