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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Things to never create or consume
« Last post by mrtimey on July 19, 2021, 11:34:45 AM »
thanx buddy I knew if I passed the ball you would come through as always  ;D
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Things to never create or consume
« Last post by carl on July 19, 2021, 11:32:23 AM »
Yes, I agree, I would also never make amphetamine fulminate :P
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Things to never create or consume
« Last post by mrtimey on July 19, 2021, 11:12:04 AM »
id be more worried about people giving them out as acid.

as is the case with most of these PEA's dosage is king.



ive got another one but I am still looking for the candidate.

a drug that needs to be synthed using only highly energetic reagents and the reaction could blow up :)

yep when I find it I won't be doing it
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Things to never create or consume
« Last post by mathiasxx94 on July 19, 2021, 11:11:15 AM »
I've been thinking about making some nbomes, seems so simple when you already have 2c-b. The therapeutic index and low dosage scares me, so will probably never make this.
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Things to never create or consume
« Last post by carl on July 19, 2021, 10:49:56 AM »
Funny, bro- and clomethiazole are on my list, now that I discovered my perfume supplier to carry sulfurol.

How do you know how a skunk smells though? :P
I always thought it is more like wet dog :D

The only things I wouldn't make, hmm.
Fentanyl and analogues, but I would make acetylfentanyl instead, which is weak enough for me.

MDPV and analogues, like a-PVP, they are total psychotic crap.

A potent deliriant.
However, just for the record, I would be interested in making a weak one some day.
I wouldn't want to take it though, of course.
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Things to never create or consume
« Last post by mrtimey on July 19, 2021, 10:25:57 AM »
ive got one ive got one :)

the smell said drugs give the user, don't want to be smelling like a skunk when high now do we.

clomethiazole
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Things to never create or consume
« Last post by Sawdust and Honey on July 19, 2021, 09:26:06 AM »
I'd include social danger as well... meth and opioids would be there for sure. Great points, Newton.
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Harm Reduction Resources / Things to never create or consume
« Last post by Newton2.0 on July 19, 2021, 09:20:12 AM »
There are a variety of reasons to not want to try certain things and I can think up a few reasons:
  • 1) Addiction Potential
  • 2) OD Liability -- Small margin between ED50 and LD50
  • 3) Toxicity -- (Acute/Chronic/Cumulative)
  • 4) Psychological Drawbacks -- Psychosis, Mania, Compulsion, Extreme Depression, etc.
  • 5) Environmental -- Will synthesis byproducts and waste or metabolic products be damaging to the environment in either an immediate or cumulative fashion?

I want to crowd source a list of things for which any reasonable clandestine chemist would advise extreme caution against the creation or use of. I'll go first:

Addiction: Fentanyl or its other piperidine or open-chain cousins. I know that I'd be dead in a week (most likely during work-up).

OD Liability: Another hat off to the ultra-powerful opioids. However, there are tropane analogues and a piperazine called 3C-PEP that looks like it would eviscerate anyone unfortunate enough to try it.

Toxicity: a-PVT, the thiophene analogue of a-PVP, is absolutely something to never ingest by any ROA. As far as I can tell, I am the only person who has intentionally ingested this compound and I must say it is dangerous garbage. A study found it to be remarkably cytotoxic and one can only assume that it's pyrolysis products will Vulcanize one's lungs.

Psychological Drawbacks: Natural alkaloids found in Solanaceae (Datura, Brugmansia, Belladonna, etc.) can be useful precursors, but by themselves are hellish and dangerous. Stimulants, especially the high-powered ones like cocaine, cathinones and amphetamines are not things I ever want to encounter again, simply because the risk of psychosis is so high ["That sounds like a personal problem, Newton2.0"]. I guess, know what your mind can take. Some minds are not built for speed.

Environmental: Remember to safely sequester and dispose of any and all heavy metals like nickel, lead, cadmium and mercury. And anything that could be a persistent environmental problem should probably get a workaround, no?



What are your no-nos?

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News / Re: cute little meth lab in manila found
« Last post by mrtimey on July 19, 2021, 06:55:15 AM »
you could cook crystal in that piss easy.

ive seen people do it in light bulbs

how can you not steam amine out of water in a normal distillation set ? insitu ?

only a liter set so I would say if they were making money it was from cold medications or chemicals like that.

though its possible from otc ketone it would be so much work that you would be cooking 24/7 just to make a living I think

though we see no stirring so I think it must be a simple cook like RP/I
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News / Re: cute little meth lab in manila found
« Last post by carl on July 18, 2021, 08:27:23 PM »
Yes, but apparently they were talking about the prison called angola in the states.
I was confused initially too :D
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