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The Hive => Tryptamine Chemistry => Topic started by: Stanley on August 06, 2001, 10:40:00 PM

Title: Tryptamine from DL-tryptophane
Post by: Stanley on August 06, 2001, 10:40:00 PM
Greetings.

Recently, I gave the ketone-catalyzed decarboxylation of DL-tryptophan a try, and to my disappointment, the yield was somewhere around 2%. I speculate that the reason is the xylene used as solvent: its b.p. is 140 °C. I figure this is not warm enough for a decarboxylation to take place (even if ketone-catalyzed).

I used 5 g of DL-tryptophan, 0,5 ml of MEK in 30 ml of xylene, and refluxed for 13 h (I thought the reaction time would compensate for the low temperature).

I'm thinking about trying the same ratio again, but I'll use naphtalene instead of xylene.

Comments?


Stanley
Title: Re: Tryptamine from DL-tryptophane
Post by: foxy2 on August 06, 2001, 11:50:00 PM
You could also try a higher boiling keytone.

Thujone comes to mind as accessable one.

http://chemfinder.com (http://chemfinder.com)

  for the structure if interested

http://www.execpc.com/~goodscnt/data/es1040992.html (http://www.execpc.com/~goodscnt/data/es1040992.html)



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Title: Re: Tryptamine from DL-tryptophane
Post by: Rhodium on August 07, 2001, 12:06:00 AM
How was the tryptamine isolated? If the reaction did not produce more than 2% tryptamine, then you should be able to recover the rest of the tryptophan unchanged.

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Title: Re: Tryptamine from DL-tryptophane
Post by: Stanley on August 07, 2001, 12:44:00 AM
I'm thinking cyclohexanone and naphtalene. The tryptamine was isolated as the hydrochloride salt. And yes, of course, the tryptophan is to be recovered!

I think I'll give that cyclohexanone/naptha a try, and see what I come up with.


Stanley
Title: Re: Tryptamine from DL-tryptophane
Post by: foxy2 on August 07, 2001, 12:55:00 PM
Definately go for cyclohexanone.
My suggestion was for the less connected bee's.  You know that cyclohexanone is slightly watched right?  Due to its use in PCP.
Later
Foxy
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Title: Re: Tryptamine from DL-tryptophane
Post by: racemic on October 13, 2001, 07:35:00 AM
If I don't get side tracked I'll be trying this reaction in d-limonene (bp 176) w/ ketone catalyst some time in the near future. d-Limonene is cheap and unwatched and seems to fit the requirements for this rxn. Any thoughts or comments?