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The Hive => Stimulants => Topic started by: m29t on May 26, 2004, 04:16:00 AM

Title: hydrochloride and sulfate
Post by: m29t on May 26, 2004, 04:16:00 AM

Hi... me again I found some other kind of pills that have 120mg and 60mg of pseudoephedrine but some of them are pseudoephedrine hydrochloride and pseudoephedrine sulfate
does that make a diference or can I use either.Thanks...

Title: convert the sulfate
Post by: geezmeister on May 26, 2004, 04:57:00 AM

Don't react the pseudo sulfate. Freebase it and gas or titrate with HCl to make the pseudoHCl. The sulfate form does not react well.

Title: Will try it...
Post by: m29t on May 29, 2004, 02:28:00 AM

I will try it and see how it goes, thanks alot...This has been very helpfull.

Title: Don't try it!
Post by: Kinetic on May 29, 2004, 02:52:00 AM

By 'will try it' I hope you don't mean you'll try reacting the sulfate salt in an HI/P reduction.

Geeze is almost correct; in fact, the sulfate reacts a little too well, as the sulfate (SO₄^2-) ion is reduced to hydrogen sulfide (H₂S) by HI (as well as by many other reagents, including formic acid). The chloride ion cannot be reduced by HI so - as Geeze said - the hydrochloride salt is the better choice. Causing avoidable side reactions is never wise.

According to an article in the journal C. R. Hebd. Seances Acad. Sci., 152 (1911), 441-441, a 99% yield of H₂S is obtained when reacting sulfuric acid with aqueous HI in the presence of phosphorous acid, H₃PO₃. These are the exact conditions you'll be exposing the salt to in your reaction.

Title: the hydrogen sulfide
Post by: the_wasper on May 29, 2004, 05:59:00 AM