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alchemy_bee

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Sources for LiI
« on: May 01, 2002, 04:31:00 PM »
What is a good source for LiI? Can it be purchased without suspision? Also what about extracting it from batteries? there are a few posts on this topic but it dosnt get into great detail.

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Elementary

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LiI ??? What are you after Lithium metal ?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2002, 04:49:00 PM »
LiI ???

What are you after Lithium metal or Lithium Iodide ?

If you talking about Lithium metal, then this has been documented many times.

Check out these write-ups

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/birch.mrclean.html


https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/birch.pseudo.html



If it is Lithium Iodide you want, well this could be made with lithium carbonate (potters supplys) and Hydriodic acid.




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alchemy_bee

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Nope lithium iodide is what is needed.
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2002, 05:27:00 PM »
Nope lithium iodide is what is needed. thanks for the suggestion.

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Elementary

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Iodide Information
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2002, 02:30:00 AM »

PolytheneSam

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UTFSE
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2002, 02:34:00 AM »

Post 228375

(Ritter: "Re: Ketones from Propenylbenzenes via the di-bromides", Novel Discourse)


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alchemy_bee

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Enter RTFTT (Read the fuckin thread title).
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2002, 01:37:00 PM »
Enter RTFTT (Read the fuckin thread title). Looking for OTC sources not preperations.

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alchemy_bee

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lithium carbonate is easy to get, when attempting ...
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2002, 10:12:00 PM »
lithium carbonate is easy to get, when attempting to convert this to LiI, can another source of Iodine (this is not watched) be used other than HI?

Post 51160

(obituary: "MeI  methods", Chemistry Discourse)
details a few routes to MeI:



1.  MeSO4 + KI --> MeI
3.  electrolysis of an aq. solution of K acetate w/ I2 or KI
...




#3 sounds really good, is there a variation that can be adapted were LiI can be produced - and from perhaps Li-acetate (any other suggests here) and a Iodine salt that is easy to get?




PolytheneSam

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If you prepare LiI yourself you are your own ...
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2002, 12:29:00 AM »
If you prepare LiI yourself you are your own source.  :P

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Osmium

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It has to be anhydrous, so you better have some ...
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2002, 01:04:00 AM »
It has to be anhydrous, so you better have some P2O5 lying around or else...

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alchemy_bee

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PolytheneSam: Id argue that you wouldnt be the ...
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2002, 01:20:00 AM »
PolytheneSam: Id argue that you wouldnt be the source in this instance, perhaps the means by which the source is... ah never mind i dont feel like bull shitting hehehe... Well at least i dont randomly post pics of dildows Post No 314984!    

Point taken though, since the thread didnt get any takes, i decided to look to easy OTC synths.

Osmium: Can you describe drying LiI? Also how stable is this compound to heat? I found this online:



Colour: white
Appearance: crystalline solid
Melting point: 73°C (dehydrates; loses 2H2O at 80°C; loses H2O at 300°C)
Boiling point:
Density: 3480 kg m-3




Obviously im asking that if it can be heated to 300 without breaking the compound down...




alchemy_bee

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Does anyone know how hot LiI can be heated to ...
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2002, 05:53:00 AM »
Does anyone know how hot LiI can be heated to before it starts to break down? Im trying to turn the tri-hydrate into the dehydrated form. In the above article it says that when heated to 300 it looses all water. The MSDS sheet for this material says it relises I2 vapor when heated, but does not specify at what temp. Is heating to 300 a viable method to dehydrate this compound?

Osmium

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Not sure, it might work when there's no O2 ...
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2002, 10:14:00 AM »
Not sure, it might work when there's no O2 around.
But I'd rather use a desiccator and an efficient drying agent.

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PrimoPyro

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What about phthalic anhydride?
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2002, 11:44:00 AM »
What about phthalic anhydride?

Osmium

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?
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2002, 11:52:00 AM »
?

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PrimoPyro

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As a dehydrating agent, as a substitute for ...
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2002, 12:02:00 PM »
As a dehydrating agent, as a substitute for phosphoric anhydride.

It is cheaper and more available for some of us. I know it is a powerful dehydrating agent, and I am asking if you know if it will work in this case?

Osmium

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Never heard of it being used as a drying agent.
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2002, 12:50:00 PM »
Never heard of it being used as a drying agent. I don't think it will work very well.

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PrimoPyro

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???
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2002, 01:23:00 PM »
Its cited all over the Hive in the old posts!  ::)

Ive seen it online too. Its a really powerful water scavenging molecule reacting to make phthalic acid, AFAIK. Now Im confused.

Rhodium

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I've only seen Phtalic anhydride as a drying ...
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2002, 01:40:00 PM »
I've only seen Phtalic anhydride as a drying agent in melt-phase and possibly in solution. Never in a dessiccator-type situation.

alchemy_bee

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LiI would be easy to prepare into its ...
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2002, 04:09:00 AM »
LiI would be easy to prepare into its mono-hydrate form, would this be acceptable for isomerizing epoxides into ketones?

If it would be at all practically possible to prepare into its dehydrated form would it be better to do so by desicating or by heating?

Since ChemFinder gives its melting point at 446 I would assume that it would be practically applicable to heat it i to 300. It would be easy to heat is to 300 under an stream a dry nitrogen, if this is doable also, please adivise.


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Osmium

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> Since ChemFinder gives its melting point at ...
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2002, 11:01:00 AM »
> Since ChemFinder gives its melting point at 446 I would
> assume that it would be practically applicable to heat it
> i to 300. It would be easy to heat is to 300 under an
> stream a dry nitrogen, if this is doable also, please
> advise.

Desiccating sounds much easier and cheaper than that.

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alchemy_bee

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Well i dunno about cheaper.
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2002, 09:54:00 PM »
Well i dunno about cheaper. SWIM has huge tanks of medical grade N2 that she has never had a use for, and the glassware needed wouldnt be any more than what one would use for a distillation setup; a heating flask, inlet and trap. Else wise SWIM would have to buy a desicating cabinet and more chems?

What would be the desicating chem of choice though?

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terbium

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Medical grade nitrogen?
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2002, 11:41:00 PM »
SWIM has huge tanks of medical grade N2 that she has never had a use for,
Tanks of medical grade N2 eh?

alchemy_bee

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huh?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2002, 01:27:00 AM »
Yes blue tanks of ACS grade N2 that was purchased from a gas company specializing medical gas supply. Did you have somthing to add to my thread Terb, otherwise Alchemy_bee rates your post as INSIGNIFICANT.

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alchemy_bee

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:-D LoL, sorry i just havnt had my daily dose of ...
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2002, 02:16:00 AM »
;D  LoL, sorry i just havnt had my daily dose of medical N2 yet.  :P  :P  :P  :P

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PrimoPyro

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I think you might mean N2O........
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2002, 04:16:00 AM »
I think you might mean N2O........

If so, this is precisely what terbium was subtly referring to. From your response, my guess would be that you have N2 confused with N2O. But I dont know....

alchemy_bee

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No its deffinatly N2 that i was refering to, ...
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2002, 07:11:00 AM »
No its deffinatly N2 that i was refering to, although the same place is a great source for N20 as well. Either way it would still be very easy to heat LiI to 300 under an innert stream of gas, im still trying to asses if this is a vaible way to obtain the dyhydrated form of LiI.

Desication may very well be the way to go, what desicating agent should be used and what should the setup be like (I have never desicated anything)?

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