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herbarium

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Re: trouble getting yields for LSD
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2002, 07:31:00 PM »
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Vibrating_Lights

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Re: trouble getting yields for LSD
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2002, 12:15:00 AM »
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herbarium

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Re: trouble getting yields for LSD
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2002, 09:14:00 AM »
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wolfx

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Re: trouble getting yields for LSD
« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2002, 12:26:00 AM »
Dear Montanha :

My knowledge of chemistry is not that much, but I know something a friend told me about POCl3 that I decided it was worth posting :

I friend of mine once told me he knew someone who was a semiconductor technician, he died of lung cancer, they believe a main factor was the fact that he was allways working with POCl3 and not taking the adequate precautions.

I recomend you to avoid skin exposure or breathing the vapours of POCl3. Since all I have is word of mouth, even being it from someone I trust, I would like someone else to confirm this if possible.
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PoohBear4Ever

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Re: trouble getting yields for LSD
« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2002, 01:41:00 AM »
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Rhodium

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Re: trouble getting yields for LSD
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2002, 02:32:00 AM »
If you are making LSD with the POCl3, you will only have to use it at most once a year or so, considering the potency of LSD. That shouldn't be a health problem.
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wolfx

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Re: trouble getting yields for LSD
« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2002, 03:08:00 AM »
Personally I have no interest in this synthesis, I have dropped acid some 10 times or so, many years ago, I no longer use it.

My friend might have jumped to a wrong conclusion, I have done a fast search on ChemFinder and on the WWW, I got one list of carcinogenic substances, POCl3 was not listed there.

It is mentioned as quite toxic, in agreement with what PoohBear4ever has posted. I should have verified things more carefully before posting, please excuse me.
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PoohBearium

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'Re: trouble getting yields for LSD'
« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2002, 04:13:00 AM »
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locrian

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« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2002, 07:39:00 PM »
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montanha

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I'm Back !!!
« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2002, 02:28:00 AM »
Alright all you happy bees!!!!
I'm BACK!!

I have taken a week out of town, and I am getting back to work now!!!!
I would like to thank you all greatfully for all the repplies, support and concern - NOT TO MENTION KNOWLEDGE!

I feel like jumping out of my skin when I read  posts comming from you guys!
I have made, like I stated, quite a bit of LSA. I will now do the next step several times, too. I DO have one thing I didn't mention. Just before I took a break, I dried a certain ammount of LSA cause I thought I would work on it right away. Anyways, I heated it up to 130C and vacuumed its atmosphere. after 3 hours it became grey.

This is the first time this ever happens.
I was worried to have burned out some of it ( which was one of the reasons I decided to rest) but when I cabe back, there it was! nice and white again!! Weird? maybe the LSA hydrate is white, and monohydrate grey. Does this make any sense?
well, I will try to work on it grey from now on. Maybe it improves the yiels. If it does not work, I won't heat it so much anymore.

And I WILL come back with pics soon, I promise to get the next step in detail. Then I will pic the hydrolysis of my cristine.

Later, guys!!! Don't forget to write!
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El_Zorro

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Hey, you're sane!
« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2002, 02:41:00 AM »
WHy are you drying it?  The Shulgin(yeah, you, Shulgy, I know you can hear me!) synth uses the hydrate, doesn't it?  Lemme check....yup, sure does.  But if you were going to dry it, why would you heat it up to 130°?  I would be afraid of damaging the precious LSA.  Couldn't you just dissolve it in anhydrous methanol, then add drying salts, then rotovap off the methanol under dry nitrogen or argon?  I would think that that would be a lot more gentle.

I still think the Hive could greatly benefeit from research into other coupling agents.  But for now, I'd just be happy with a couple pics. ;)  ;)
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bujinkan

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o
« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2002, 02:47:00 AM »
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Vibrating_Lights

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o
« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2002, 09:36:00 AM »
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El_Zorro

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(empty)
« Reply #73 on: March 23, 2002, 02:45:00 AM »
You're killin' us man!  Where's the pics at?? ;)
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Jonah

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good to see you back.
« Reply #74 on: March 23, 2002, 05:50:00 AM »
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Goodtimes

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Personal
« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2002, 10:12:00 AM »
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spectralmagic

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Yes, what about those other reagents?
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2002, 10:36:00 AM »
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montanha

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very sad
« Reply #77 on: March 25, 2002, 03:02:00 PM »
guys, montanha is now very sad.
Montanha wants to say something about LSA.
LSA, when filtered, is not a dry powder. it is more like a paste, and it has to be dried, or one won't even know yields (20 grams, out of the filter cake comes to 3 or 4 grams dried). This is why montanha dries it. Montanha decided to get all the water out a while ago and noticed it turned grey. Today, montanha added it to the CHCl3 Solution and it turned BLACK.
Montanha guesses it burned out!!!!!  :o
part of it dissolved, so I continued with the POCL3 addition, but I have no more hopes of getting good ( if any) crystals with this run.
Problem is, Montanha wished he could add DEA to all his ALREADY DRIED AND PROBABLY BURNED LSA.
Montanha really thinks he fucked it up this time. Montanha was even ready to take pictures for his brother bees at the hive.
Montanha needs help.
This is worse than a bad trip...

The solution did turn amber, though, so maybe there is a little bit of good stuff in there.
Montanha hopes he can get it out.

Word of advice: never overdry your LSA.
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hest

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LSD
« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2002, 03:20:00 PM »
An easy way to dry a powder is to disolve it into some solvent (ether,toluene,DCM aso.) then dry the solution with MgSO4, filter the MgSO4 off and evaporate the solvent off, you now have a dry powder.

Bac to problems, what were you dooing ??
I dont think tha disolving LSA into CHCl3 will harm it at all, My guess is that you have some kind of (black :) contamination in your LSA, try to filter the CHCl3 solution trough 3-4cm kiselgel 60 (or some other collum powder) Usual the black tarr stick to the kiselgel.
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yellium

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I wonder why you think you can only dry things by ...
« Reply #79 on: March 25, 2002, 07:01:00 PM »
I wonder why you think you can only dry things by heating them. If you have access to things like POCl3 and so on, you probably also have a vacuum setup somewhere. Just dry your LSA with vacuum. Only watch out that your LSA is not too wet; otherwise you'll have LSA all over the place.

BTW, there's also a lot of discussion of drying techniques in Vogel. So this is probably a fuckup that you could have prevented...
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