Author Topic: hi/rp rxn  (Read 3523 times)

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AngelX

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hi/rp rxn
« on: November 18, 2003, 04:58:00 PM »
SWIM recently ran a HI/RP reduction of fairly clean, extracted pseudo. SWIM used 1:1.2:.75 E:I:RP for molar ratios as this has worked perfectly in previous dreams. This time rxn ran, steam distilled w/out basifying to get out volatile contaminants, then steamed out the clean looking freebase. Base was then decanted, and acid/based. After acidifying w/10% HCl, the chili crystals turned reddish orange.. tried re-crystallizing in dry isopropyl, and in methanol, but the orange is still there.... Any ideas to the problem, or how to clean? pills contained no povidone, or any other nasties SWIM didn't get around before, but they WERE a different pill brand though

wareami

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Gaaked Goodz
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2003, 05:40:00 PM »
Ibee knows of no way to salvage an OrangeIIGaaked end product.
Maybe other bees do.
Once contaminated and the rxn proceeds...it's designed to travel with amines.
This is the first Ibee heard of a steam distill carying the gaak. His hope would have been that it would have left it behind.
The way Ibeeware sidesteps it, post-rxn, is with the use of tetra and japan drier. Newer developements are still pending from that circle!
Other bees should have some newer pfed extraction work-arounds for OrangeII gaak utilizing JapanDrier and other solvents but still waiting for the official write-UPs and clarifications.


geezmeister

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"pretty clean?"
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2003, 06:21:00 AM »
If you will steam distill for purer product, why half-do the extraction of the pseudo? You've been gakked, and it sounds like OrangeII gakk. I concur with Ware that you have been had.

Next time, use clean pseudo. Take the time to get it clean. "Pretty clean" isn't good enough these days. The work is in the cleaning, not the reacting or extracting the meth.

Do the work on the pseudo and you will be rewarded with excellent product. Skip the early work, and get screwed with gakk.

Cut no corners. Patience pays.


The_Animal

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Place in filter, rinse with anhydrous acetone
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2003, 08:33:00 AM »
Place in filter, rinse with anhydrous acetone


The_Animal

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Re: There's an old saying around here : Trash...
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2003, 09:36:00 AM »

There's an old saying around here : Trash in Trash out


Very true, but that doesn't help the trash created by side reactions/smashed benzene rings




weaz1dls

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Welcome Aboard
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2003, 01:31:00 PM »

The_Animal

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What the fuck are you talking about?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2003, 01:11:00 AM »

weaz1dls

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Sorry
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2003, 11:40:00 AM »
The denaturants in the wht 60's w/chlor.  Up to the 01/06 exp dates were fine. Now they literally stink. As do other pill choices by the same Manufact. If the external batch # is in the 3h_____ range or higher w/ 01/06 exp date, Expect at least 2 addins to hender the pull, 1 to drop the yeild in rxn, 2 to kill yeild at post pull, and one to stink to high heaven.  These are probly all total only 3 denaturants only they all have 2 opportunities to fuck shit up.  The last one now is the killer, as the others could be bypassed by sticking within there guides of temp range 50-70 deg  and not creating an environment that the pill would not encounter when taken orally. meaning no NP at front end of extraction, if alky is to be used then, rule of thumb is to stay food grade (everclear), grain alck, must not cause to mutch action GAAkK wise or the meds bioavailabily would drop if someone had a drink and pill was in the stomach. (Acid levels act as a check point here, just a hunch)
Could even pull w/h20 and tone wash good to go, if ya didn't mind some loss and the post side diversion of the orange II. Usually a slow re-xtl of the pfed would yield 2 diff kinds of xtls. One the pfed and the other, well she has many faces.  WHen re-xtld forms stacked layers or sheets mixed with the needles and star bursts. All xtls were suction filtered  then placed in WET acetone and heated just till the tone could be felt rolling over the edges of the beaker when disturbed. Upon cooling the sheets would now re-xtl as well as the sheets in disguize, needles that would joint together not free flow like the pseudo. A good bit of the psuedo would now be disolved in the warm wet tone. The pillfuckers had a denaturant that was less souluable in wet tone, since the standard extraction called for absolutely no moisture and a tone crash, alk pull etc.  Well for almost a year the formulation here stayed the same in GAAKK tactics.  Denaturant would be aprox 25% parallel soulubility in h20 or alky, first block, next mimic the the psudo salt incase of A/B, and if activated first by h20 or alky then be less souluable in tone for crash out first. Hence the wet tone 3xs pull. the slow re-xtl would remove the left over crap and antihistamine, with one or more Denaturants trying to come with. A visual check always showed the same thing.  Even with the 01/06's The 01/06 produced a slightly higher yeild. No pre-rxn smell, visual, burn test residue nothing to for warn until the first failure in a long streatch of PIEs.  Could not believe it.  A procedure that could be done in your sleep and not even a salvagable percentage due to the rxn activated GAAKK that when triggered by base became a nonpolar hog. Then gleefully tinted the np and began to become aparent by smell.  Titration open the gate as if there were suddenly a door opened between the np and aquious (after 3 washes of the np pull) the yellow tint and the smell from hell set the final stone as a greenish yellow precipitant would apear in the aquious layer.  You name it and SWIW has probly tried it to move around this.  


Today SWIW is looking for the chemical info available in regaurd to the added shit listed in the patents as "odor producing denaturants" If anybee can share info SWIW was announcing SWIW's availability for research.  Bckstck is as you can tell still strong and giving the "Blond Wig Syndrome" ie. previous post. ::)