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The Hive => Chemistry Discourse => Topic started by: Glacial_Refluxer on May 19, 2003, 04:24:00 PM

Title: Useing Tri-sodium phosphate in A/B extractions
Post by: Glacial_Refluxer on May 19, 2003, 04:24:00 PM

Its much cheaper than sodium hydroxide in swims town and it
leaves that slippery feeling on the skin like lye so do you
think it could be used or would it be to weak of a base?

Title: basicity
Post by: Aurelius on May 19, 2003, 04:52:00 PM

too weak

Title: Confused
Post by: Scottydog on May 19, 2003, 11:44:00 PM

Many bees are advocating the use of sodium carbonate + heat to base during acid base extraction of pseudo pills to circumvent the orange gakk and according to Shorty, tri-sodium phosphate works?

Post 433617 (missing)

(SHORTY: "Tri-Sodium Phosphate", Stimulants)

Sodium carbonate reaches a ph of 12? and Geez reports success. Shorty says tri-sodium phosphate reaches 13.

Now Swim is more confused then before.

Damn search engine and its conflicting reports.  :P
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Refuse/Resist

Title: Ph test
Post by: Glacial_Refluxer on May 20, 2003, 12:37:00 AM

Well I did a room temp ph test [paper strips] with TSP and
SC

SC reached 10ish

TSP reached 13ish

Swim beelieves TSP will work to basify ephedrine and
methamphetamine.

The wet SC doesnt leave that soapy skin feel like the lye
and TSP do.


Everywhare swim looks there are 5 gallon buckets of TSP
hence the intrest on the subject.

Title: Merck Index Says
Post by: foxy2 on May 22, 2003, 07:40:00 PM

"pH of 0.1% solution 11.5
pH of 0.5% solution 11.7
pH of 1% solution 11.9

Technical crystals are sometimes made with excess alkali to prevent caking and give a more alkaline solution"

The "excess alkali" would bee sodium hydroxide.

Title: triphos
Post by: Aurelius on May 22, 2003, 09:34:00 PM

If the triphos is pure (no NaOH) and the pH still reaches into the 11-13 range, it just might work.  But I don't think that pure Triphos is going to be that basic. Look up the values for pure and see.

Title: Those are the values for pure, they just added
Post by: foxy2 on May 23, 2003, 06:49:00 PM

Those are the values for pure, they just added that note to explain possible variations when you have technical grade.