Matchbox problems

[obusted1]

My friend has recently being diong push pulls, using 3:3:1 ratio. Thats with lab grade rp, Iodine and OTC phsuedo with success. Unfortunatly all the lab grade rp has dried up which meant seeking alternative means of rp. He gathered up a shit load of match boxes, cut the striking pads off, soaked them in acetone, decanted off acetone, washed with sulphuric acid, washed with HCL, washed with acetone, washed with distilled water, prefired with iodine and peroxide, used dh2o to free up rp, washed with acetone and then more dh2o. The push pull was then attempted just as before with nothing to show for it but a white minty tasting powder that near choked me when smoking it. Could it be the brand of matchboxs used? My friend used red heads.

[wareami]

Before ya get jumped again...Let's clarify redheads shall we.
SWIO meant to say redhots I'm sure...It could easily bee mistaken for lingo probs as meaning the matchheads themselves!....Hey...it happens!
If the RP pre-fired with no problems then it's more likely the pillcleaning techniques and SWIO has been gaaked!
Whenever failures occur as described...one should look at the extraction and cleanliness of the feedstock first as beeing the root cause. Then do a driveby and troubleshoot in the second likelyhood...that beeing the ratio of precursors. If ya haven't clipped anybody yet...then look at the cooktime/temps

Ibee finds that all that extra cleaning of MBRP isn't necessary since he does numerous Tone and Denat alky washes.
Acids as a last resort if tons of paper or ink got through.
Hope this helps!

[obusted1]

Its redheads the brand and i live in oz. The pfed was extracted with ethanol, followed by 3 washes with acetone.

[wareami]

My Bad....Ibee lives in the united states of schitzaphrenia and Toto ate the Tinman.
Look Up the latest pill extraction methods to rectify the situation...and remedy the pillclean-UP error.
Therein lies the problem!

[obusted1]

creers

[SHORTY]

Was everything done the same as with the previous rxns with the exception of the change from lgrp to mbrp?  If so then i would try skipping the prefiring of the mbrp.  How much peroxide did you use to prefire it?  When you prefire mbrp you are using all of the small amount of wp contained within the rp during the prefire.  I recommend skipping the prefire and see what happens.  Don't use peroxide on your rp cause it will oxidize it.  However, if you changed pills or cleaning methods then this could bee part of the problem as well.

[morpheus]

Swim takes a small amount of rp and adds a small amount of I2.If it starts smoking without adding peroxide he does not prefire.Hope this helps.

[wareami]

If anything is left standing...Blast away!
According to the detailed description of the RP clean-up, one could easily assume, what was left of the MBRP was clean.
By all accounts from our OZ bees lately:

>The pfed was extracted with ethanol, followed by 3 washes with acetone.
This simply won't cut it on the pfed extraction nowadaze.

>However, if you changed pills or cleaning methods
Shorty: There have been times that Ibee has hit brick walls using same pills, same cleaning technique. A slight shift in the formulation can have the best of bees pulling thare hair out in a search for "what went wrong?"
It's the first area Ibee looks at in the process of elimination.

SWIO didn't mention the color of the MBRP after the assaults either which would have helped some...But even if some MBRP got ate UP, it doesn't change the fact the rxn likely failed due to rxn inhibitors not being removed on the frontside pfed clean-UP!

[obusted1]

[SHORTY]

I was only providing another possibility based on the posters information.  Since he specifically mentioned that he switched from using lab grade rp to mbrp then this would bee one of the first places I would check.  On top of that he says he used peroxide to prefire and didn't mention how much was used.  I remember back when i first started i poured 18% peroxide over my rp while in a filter and thought it was super clean.  Then i tried to react it and of course the rxn failed miserably.  He could have easily did the same.

Finally, i did say that the pills could also bee the problem but by the information given i would still be more concerned about the rp.

To answer the last question, i don't remember the color of oxidized rp but if it is oxidized then it is no longer usable and there is no way to fix it.  Its just like phosphorous acid when it oxidizes to phosphoric acid then there is no going back.  At least not that i know of.

[gryphon]

Or do you mean another place?
Pulling with ethanol and three acetone washes?  Swig would suggest that if swio has really been getting away with this in Oz up until now, then the holiday is over!

[wareami]

Shorty...no offense taken.
Oxidation suggests decomposition...
From what Ibee understands it takes alot to completely kill RP...whatever grade!
Strong undilute acids turn it gray...
All the times in Ibees ealy daze using h2o2 on RP it did seem to discolor it so he stopped that real QUICK!
Some solvents coat the RP....
Any way ya look at it....
Unless it's re-run MBRP, If it ain't red...something is wrong.
The lack of detail concerning the amount of h2o2 used on the MBRP isn't what helped arrive at the order in which the process of elimination should begin here.
If a bee has previous experience with LabGrade RP...he'll know how to Go about determining if the MBRP is too weak to fire off a rxn.
The answers and solutions are here!

[Harlequin]

it sure is the brand .. they are crap now dont worry about them they are the dotted strickers .. full of sand n glue not much RP on them at all.
wha u want is the paradise brand found at woolies .. or any other brand that has a deep dark red/maroon colour strip (solid)

5mg RP = 1 book

200 books = 1gm RP

pretty wasteful .. if u can get phos acid .. go that way
cheers bye

[snoozer]

Swim can confirm what Harlequin suggested, paradise brand is the go, found at "the fresh food people" They come in packs of 10 boxes and swim musta bought 150 packs of 10 over about 4 weeks (from different outlets and checkouts). All this yielded about 50g of mbrp, after all the washings etc swim was left with 35g of really clean flour-like mbrp which smokes easily on mixing with iodine.
Swim investigated many of the Oz brand matchboxes and this is the best one swim found. Good luck...

[SHORTY]

So was the rp the problem then or do you still not know?

[obusted1]

YEAH sure was. Ibee started again from scratch. Accept this time Ibee used Toluene to free up the mbrp of the strikers and the last solvent wash with isoprophanol, then one dh20. Ibee Did push pull, 1:1:3 ratio. From 21g of PSUE, 16.8g of mothers milk. Thanks everybody who contributed to Ibee's success. And just for the record i dont want to hear anybody talking b

[obusted1]

[obusted1]

Ok had sleep lets try again. First of all the strikers were cut from the boxs, then soaked in toluene for about an hour. Next the remaining mbrp was removed by rubbing the strikers face to face in toluene. Next the toluene was filtered through a couple of coffe filters. Then ibee soaked in a 1:1 h2so4\H2O and brang to boil for 10min, then an equal amout of hcl was added and boiled again for 10min, then drained and let dry, next ibee boiled in isoprophanol for 10min, decanted, then added dh2o for the final wash but did not boil this time. The pill extraction was done with 12 packs of otc sue no generic crud, they were extracted with methalated spirits. Three toluene washes and three acetone washes got it clean as fuck, my yeld was 21.0gm. Next the reaction was carried out in a 500ml rbf along with 21gm of LG iodine, along with 7gm of the new mbrp and shaken about to mix up ingredients. Next ibee takes one of big fishing balloons and puts it over top of rbf and raps electrical tape around it tightly. Next ibee places in room temp oil bath and bring up the heat slowly until things start to fire(48.7 deg cel). Ibee slowly brings the heat up all the way to 100 deg cel. It took mebee 90min. Imbee sure you all know the rest. Ibees yelds form this experiment was 16.8gm from 21gm. So ibee thinks that the rp was the problem ibee will try some of the old mbrp with new pill cleaning technique and post soon.

[suss]

Hey all,

It seems as though most woolies have stopped selling the "parashit" brand, and are now using "unreliance" brand. These are made in Turkey. Any idea how well these work?

[Trinitrotoluene]

Does some brands of strikers also contain glass?
If so how do you think the standard wash with acetone/DH20/HCl/H2SO4 would work?