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WizardX

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Simultaneous HI & white P synthesis
« on: January 15, 2004, 08:12:00 PM »


I have looked into my Wizard Spellbook and found this spell.

Simultaneous HI & White P synthesis via 3I2 + 2PH3 ==>> 6HI + 2P

I've seen much discussion of HI and RP synthesis here at the Hive and Sciencemadness. Preparation of elemental phosphorus

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=65&page=1



Well here is a ALL-IN-ONE synthesis.

Rhodium

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of academical interest only
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2004, 08:22:00 PM »
But this is of course of academical interest only, as piping PH3 into a solution of Iodine (solubilized by the addition of KI or NaI) would create HI in situ without the need of going through elemental phosphorus or use an electrolytic cell.

The problem lies in the preparation/aquisition of the hideously toxic PH3 (phosphine) gas, which also is spontaneously inflammable in air.


spectralshift

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Wizard calculator master
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2004, 08:28:00 PM »
Nice Wizard Master! I don't know how serious you are, PH3 is a shocker!
So is HI I2 and P4 coincidently...  ;D

All at once, I don't know about that, or why for that matter.
Calm down Wiz, I can ask you a few questions right up your ally about more civil methods if yor in a phossy phase!

WizardX

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Phosphine
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2004, 01:37:00 AM »
As Rhodium pointed out that Phosphine is hideously toxic. Here is the MSDS for Phosphine. In Vogel you can find a Phosphine air monitoring reagent.

Phosphine  CAS 7803-51-2 
PH3  RTECS SY7525000 
Synonyms & Trade Names
Hydrogen phosphide, Phosphorated hydrogen, Phosphorus hydride, Phosphorus trihydride  DOT ID & Guide
2199 119 
Exposure
Limits  NIOSH REL: TWA 0.3 ppm (0.4 mg/m3) ST 1 ppm (1 mg/m3) 
OSHA PEL†: TWA 0.3 ppm (0.4 mg/m3) 
IDLH 50 ppm  Conversion 1 ppm = 1.39 mg/m3
 
Physical Description
Colorless gas with a fish- or garlic-like odor. [pesticide] [Note: Shipped as a liquefied compressed gas. Pure compound is odorless.] 
MW: 34.0
 BP: -126°F
 FRZ: -209°F
 Sol: Slight
 
VP: 41.3 atm
 IP: 9.96 eV
 RGasD: 1.18
 
 
Fl.P: NA (Gas)
 UEL: ?
 LEL: 1.79%
 
 
Flammable Gas 
Incompatibilities & Reactivities
Air, oxidizers, chlorine, acids, moisture, halogenated hydrocarbons, copper [Note: May ignite SPONTANEOUSLY on contact with air.] 
Measurement Methods
OSHA 1003, ID180 
Personal Protection & Sanitation
Skin: Frostbite
Eyes: Frostbite
Wash skin: No recommendation
Remove: When wet (flammable)
Change: No recommendation
Provide: Frostbite
 First Aid (See procedures)
Eye: Frostbite
Skin: Frostbite
Breathing: Respiratory support

 
Respirator Recommendations NIOSH/OSHA
Up to 3 ppm: (APF = 10) Any supplied-air respirator
Up to 7.5 ppm: (APF = 25) Any supplied-air respirator operated in a continuous-flow mode
Up to 15 ppm: (APF = 50) Any air-purifying, full-facepiece respirator (gas mask) with a chin-style, front- or back-mounted canister providing protection against the compound of concern/(APF = 50) Any self-contained breathing apparatus with a full facepiece/(APF = 50) Any supplied-air respirator with a full facepiece
Up to 50 ppm: (APF = 1000) Any supplied-air respirator operated in a pressure-demand or other positive-pressure mode
Emergency or planned entry into unknown concentrations or IDLH conditions: (APF = 10,000) Any self-contained breathing apparatus that has a full facepiece and is operated in a pressure-demand or other positive-pressure mode/(APF = 10,000) Any supplied-air respirator that has a full facepiece and is operated in a pressure-demand or other positive-pressure mode in combination with an auxiliary self-contained positive-pressure breathing apparatus
Escape: (APF = 50) Any air-purifying, full-facepiece respirator (gas mask) with a chin-style, front- or back-mounted canister providing protection against the compound of concern/Any appropriate escape-type, self-contained breathing apparatus 
Exposure Routes inhalation, skin and/or eye contact (liquid) 
Symptoms Nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, diarrhea; thirst; chest tightness, dyspnea (breathing difficulty); muscle pain, chills; stupor or syncope; pulmonary edema; liquid: frostbite 
Target Organs respiratory system