Author Topic: Matchbox problems  (Read 4095 times)

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weaz1dls

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2 cents worth
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2003, 03:12:00 PM »
SWIW noticed in the very first post that a "minty" harsh smoked powder resulted.  Swiw had similar results with regaurds to the 1/06's in the USA. Noticed it again when testing other pills. Then recently worked with some trusty pills (known good) SWIW put the acetone wash from the final pill wash in the freezer. It droped another 2.0 grams. This was used in the next batch.  The cook temp went higher than usual and the final boil after water addition at the end was in the micro.  The yeild as expected suffered but the odd thing was  SWIW could detect that fishy mint smell he had before mistaken for a chloro smell. UTFSE and no results from mint or minty.  Decided SWIW was losing it until now.  Was the pill stock, and RP completely dried of all acetone and what was the highest temp reached when the mint was produced?

Until now SWIW never thought about his rp containing something that under the right conditions would do this.  Still find it hard to believe but if some others are experiencing the same....    Rp from matchbooks water-proof.

SHORTY

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Glass
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2003, 07:45:00 PM »
Does some brands of strikers also contain glass?
If so how do you think the standard wash with acetone/DH20/HCl/H2SO4 would work?


Yes, mbrp does contain glass which provides the roughness on the striker.  This is why more mbrp is needed in a rxn than lgrp.  The glass will not hurt the rxn but it does add weight to the rp making it impossible to know the exact weight of rp.

All this has been discussed many times itfse.


tpower9s2003

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MBRP now not a viable option for SWIT either...
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2003, 11:27:00 PM »
Only one brand SWIT has access to: "ladies best friend". Used to work with good cleanable yeilds until recently. They're still the maroon strikers in identicle packaging/strikers as before though deceptively they no longer contain nearly as much RP as they did. But they do contain a lot more gluey horrible contaminents. No matter how much washes, soaks, filtering, acid boiling, decanting, etc, all to no avail. Yield inc. glass is probably <0.1g per 50 books by the time most of the crap is removed, it never reaches flowing red-powder clean. Scrapeless extractions- now they all fail and fail means no yeild... Well these books used to clean up with cleaned yield inc. glass nearing 0.5g per 50 as a fine red powder.

There are the redesigned type of the "ladies best friend" with the black strikers that come in an all cardboard box...lol...these badass books are quite the "unreliance" indeed


chemplayer

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MBRP Brown Base??
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2003, 09:01:00 AM »
SWICP recently encountered these all cardboard boxes of MB. Would these cause based rxn fluid to turn an awful brown color and be hard to get the goodies?  When this happened the first time, used TFSE and found references to "root beer" and Orange Gak II.  Also first time had to use pills that SWICP wasn't familiar with.  Next time, SWICP has pills that has always gotten results from, still followed all info he had learned.  SWICP told me that the next rxn used new mbrp but from same brand with the new cardboard box.  Everything appeared to run ok, showed all the signs SWICP had seen in other successful rxn, but when basing, same thing.  Based fluid turned an awful brown color and had trouble w/emulsions.  Only thing for these 2 rxn was the mbrp.  Any suggestions?

CharlieBigpotato

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yeah; wash w/np pre-basing
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2003, 03:12:00 PM »
excess I2 will ugly up your post rxn fluid as you describe

tpower9s2003

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Chemplayer: suggestion
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2003, 11:13:00 PM »
Suggestion- don't use those worthless black-diamonds. Even the maroon ones have gotten very difficult to clean and yield well- maybe moreso than OGII 120s! SWIT's only ever used the black ones once and for their intended purpose...when his lighter ran dry  ;)  The free I2 in post indicates that either it never completed or there wasn't enough actual RP to recycle so to end with clearish-yellow non-cloudy sol. If it never completed from insufficient or excessively contaminated RP, expect that shortly after mixing the I2 and RP that the sol. remained dark/cloudy and stayed that way- whether it "bubbled" or not.

Did you collect anything in the filter right afterwards? Well don't assume its RP if its reddish and recycle it! If its not red even, doubt itd be RP at all or anything worth the cleaning! Did the filter collect any I2 stains with possible tarry black-silverish stuff as well? Now if that was present with red stuff, one might ask why it didn't react with the I2! That red stuffs imposter RP (or maybe coated with pill gaak but TPs assuming your sure it had nothing to do with the PFED). If it was red-maroon and with no significant amount of I2 also in the filter, was still probly mostly red glass, red paints or glues, iron oxides, and other crud. Otherwise it would've been completely used up leaving nothing but the sol. plus the free I2 that couldn't be recycled back to HI. Again, assuming the FEeD was clean.

As for the maroon ones that have the red paper wrapped, if anyone happens to have or suddenly start having bad luck with the scrapeless extractions ie IPA, HCl, blenders, etc, or filterless methods then there still is a way to end up with some usable RP without it taking that all long...
IPA and slide the maroon off...don't have to go 1-by-1, doing 3-5@once is WAY faster and can still get nearly all of it if the book ends were cut fairly flush to the strip and given a quick pre-dunk in IPA. No need to waste bottle(s) of IPA for just lets say 8-15 boxes (8-15 would only take SWIT maybe several hundred mLs)- and of course, 91% is worth using and does work better as its usually nearly as cheap as dilute 50-70%s. Cutting, well if no papercutter, still can cut 5+@once depending on the scizzors used. On the other hand, filterless and cold methods failing to yield decently or clean properly, well use the filters and boil the solvents then. Its not much harder and the mechanical losses don't seem to be that significant, esp compared with PFED. On a final note, surface area, as with PFED is very important with most red-diamonds, esp the HCl which won't do shit swirled+cold against a buncha sticky chunks...thats easily solved...


p2e3r4f5e6c7t8

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look out for
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2004, 02:59:00 AM »
::) They also contain Manganese

So i spose a bit of a boil in Hci would rid that