Author Topic: Amphetamine workup to Carbonate (Read 3487 times)

Glacial_Refluxer · « **on:** November 20, 2003, 08:06:00 AM »

What would be the simpleist way to workup a finished
PPA/HI/RP reflux to end up with amphetamine carbonate or
any other smokeable form?

Osmium · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2003, 09:48:00 AM »

The hydrochloride is smokeable.

Glacial_Refluxer · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2003, 10:35:00 AM »

Amphetamine hcl = sticky messes for swim.

Hydroscopic I think the word is.

Any other suggestions?

Swim was thinking about mixing up enough sodium bicarb and
water to make a thin paste, mix it with the np/fb and shake
to hopefully end up with "rocks" but swim not sure if
amphetamine carbonate is soluable in np.

Maybe sucking off the fb amph off the rxn fluid, washing it
then adding sodium bicarb will do it?

wareami · « **Reply #3 on:** November 21, 2003, 01:20:00 AM »

Let me pick UP a Side Rail if I may!
What makes cocaine hcl not smokable until brought to freebase?
What makes methamphetamine freebase not smokable until brought to hcl?
Just curious!
And why isn't amphetamine smokable?
He's never tried it....but Ibee's never heard of peeps raving on amphetamine smoking!
If these seem like outrageously redickuless questions....consider the source

Ibee's no chemist nor professes to bee but thrives on enlightenment and growth

Thanx!

Glacial_Refluxer · « **Reply #4 on:** November 21, 2003, 02:02:00 AM »

cocaine hcl is smokeable, methamphetamine freebase is
smokeable, amphetamine SULFATE is unsuitable for smoking
due to its high boiling point [the molecules get destroyed
before it melts.

Amphetamine hcl quikly turns to liquid when exposed to
moisture in the air.

Swim filtered out the rp, washed HI fluid with np, then
added sodium bicarb to the rxn fluid, fb oil floated to
top, the oil was poured into dish and mixed with sodium
bicarb along with low heat. Sadly it would not turn solid.

What should swim do, turn into the sulfate form then add
bicarb/water/heat just like making crack from coke salt?

wareami · « **Reply #5 on:** November 21, 2003, 02:15:00 AM »

>cocaine hcl is smokeable

Well of course it's smokable....it just sits there and smokes like hell!
Back in the days before crack....why did peeps take all the risk of fryin like pryor if that step of making freebase was an unnecessary waste of time?
Ya lost me there!
And the same goes with:

>methamphetamine freebase is smokeable

Is Ibee missing something here as well?
Why go through all the trouble of acidifying the base, post rxn, if it can just be left as freebase, sukatubed UP, and smoked?
Eye appeal and portabilty?
Still wondering!

Rhodium · « **Reply #6 on:** November 21, 2003, 09:32:00 AM »

Why go through all the trouble of acidifying the base, post rxn, if it can just be left as freebase, sukatubed UP, and smoked?

1) It does not keep well as the freebase, as it will partly turn into its carbonate in air, and as that is hygroscopic it will turn into an aqueous puddle. The freebase can also be oxidized and discolored relatively fast in air.

2) It is completely impossible to handle or measure without big losses. It will also evaporate over time.

Glacial_Refluxer · « **Reply #7 on:** November 21, 2003, 10:32:00 AM »

Well warami, the freebase/carbonate versions are easy to
deal with in a solid chunk rather than powder plus it seems
to do the trick better than hcl when smoked.

Swim had sucess forming amphetamine carbonate by "rocking
up" the sulfate form with bicarb.

Swim has smoked cocaine hcl via vaporizing on foil and
straw results were weak compared to smoking cocaine
carbonate via direct flame / glass pipe & copper.

Smoked meth hcl via vaporizing, effects were instant and
good. Rocked some up with bicarb, smoked via direct
flame/pipe results were VARY good.

Tried to vaporize amphpet sulfate but didnt melt, smoked
the sulfate via direct flame/pipe results were "below
average" the amphet carbonate via direct flame is great.

All swim can say if you smoke, create the carbonate and use
a "crack pipe"

methylaminorex freebase is swim's choice drug for getting
"high"

charliebrown · « **Reply #8 on:** November 24, 2003, 03:03:00 AM »

hey, in this post u talk about forming carbonates on meth salts, i was under the impression carbonates were formed by introducing carbon dioxide and water to form carbonic acid which would then attach to freebase, but r u saying it will attach to a salt? ive never done it so i am curious... what does it look like? not like regular crystals by way of rxn?

Glacial_Refluxer · « **Reply #9 on:** November 26, 2003, 07:17:00 AM »

The sodium carbonate freebases the salt first.

elfspice · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2003, 04:30:00 AM »

I am very interested to know how one goes about making a carbonate salt of an alkaloid. I have this image of taking soda water (preferably made fresh with an aerator and distilled water) and adding this to freebase alkaloids, the aqueous carbonic acid should then ionise the alkaloid(s) and it would then migrate into the water.

Rhodium · « **Reply #11 on:** December 14, 2003, 04:36:00 AM »

You need to add dry ice to a solution of the free base in a non-polar solvent, then filter. Aqueous CO₂ is no good.

ChemoSabe · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2004, 04:45:00 PM »

Can anyone else confirm the rumor that vaporizing (or smoking if you burn it) meth carbonate is a superior experience to that given by vaporizing meth hcl?

And if so can you describe the difference?

So dry ice and the fb in a non polar will do it as far as making it goes? Swim would choose naphtha first. Xylene stinks but it's the only one I've heard mentioned for this so far.

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