Bujinkan
what species of shroom were you considering using with these techniques?Oysters, Hericium, King Stropharia and other wood loving Psilocybes. A peroxidated mixture of wood pellets and maltose/marmite broth supports sclerotia production of Ps. tampanensis as well.
hydrogen peroxide is used often to battle off certain contaminants in casings and such....cobweb mold for example....unfortunately that doesn't work too well. The reason is that the peroxide is deactivated by the enzymes of the mycelium. So if a mold, any mold, is already past the spore germination stage then peroxide is of no help!
it is a well known fact that h202 does inhibit mycelium growth...not completely but it does nontheless.Only when a mycelium first contacts a substrate which is rich in peroxide. But it adapts fast. A plate of h2o2 agar is colonized in just as many days as a plate of non-peroxidated agar. Plus, peroxide helps in breaking down the substrate too. In some cases the net effect can be an acceleration of mycelial growth!
[the invitro method] does work. what you get is usually a mass of stems and some unopened caps. The stems do push themselves around substrate and you will get some, but space is still limited, so size and quantity of your shrooms are reduced.Whoa! The efficiency I mentioned about (15-20 percent of the dry weight of the brown rice powder converted into dry mushrooms) was achieved with this method (and a suitable mushroom genotype - PF Stropharia)! About the look of the mushrooms which are cultivated in this style: once they are dried you can not see the difference between mushrooms which were grown in a terrarium and mushrooms which were grown in the jars. In-jar grown mushrooms are only a bit more loaded with vermiculite so some more cleaning is desired (wash them in tapwater with about 1g/liter of vitaminC to prevent premature blueing).
If you harvest once then replace, you run a good risk of contaminating your cake.The chances of a cake getting contaminated in a terrarium is way bigger compared to a cake in the jar. The inside of a jar has less surface and is easier to keep/wipe clean when you take the cake out.
fresh mushrooms are illegal in many places because they do contain psilocybin and psilocinFirst of all - the legality of mushrooms is always theoretical. I think we can both agree on this. I suppose that in the case of a bust a box of growing Shiitake mushrooms will also be seized to be discussed in court later. The point is just to not get busted.
But on a 'theoretical' level there is a big difference between mushrooms which are harvested and mushrooms which are not. At least in Europe. Jars with mushrooms which still are growing can be distributed via flourists and the like, just as peyote cacti. But 'harvesting' as well as 'packaging' is considered a way of 'preparation' (for consumption).
The presence of a schedule 1 compound in botanical material doesn't make it immediately illegal. San Pedro cacti can be ordered all over the US.
The 'storage' method I described for cubensis -putting the jars in the fridge at the moment that the mushrooms usually are picked- is more a kind of delayed harvesting. It is only possible when the mushrooms are grown ínvitro since mushrooms which grow in trays or open jars will dry out in the fridge. To my knowledge, the method I proposed is the only one which can keep mushrooms in primo condition for three months. Post-harvest storage of fresh mushrooms is for a week, perhaps one and a half week, at most.
if you are interested in shroom growing and are new, read this stuff:
Magic Mushroom Growers Guide..essential reading.
http://www.shroomery.org/findorgrowthem.php?View=docs&doc=16%5B/blue
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In that case, do not forget to read the critiques at
http://www.fanaticus.com/critque.htm
http://www.fanaticus.com/flame.txt
Bot he author of the MMGG and Anno Fungifun have only contributed in making a simple technique more complicated.
GOD:First off, when swim refers to second hand experiance, and follows it up with a that means its beeing said tounge in cheek you moron.I see. In that case I recommend to update your techniques so your expertise becomes visible in your posts as well. A *lot* of things have changed the last decade. But since practical mycology is a very conservative branch of science I do not expect that the new methods will drip trough in a day or two. But all things I wrote in this thread about the new techniques are tested&true!
Hint: get experienced with non-psilocybians. It is totally legal but the same rules apply (except for the PF TEK, which only works well with cubensis). Oyster mycelium may be useful for absorbing&decomposing dilute solvents. Large scale cultivation of those can be useful!
your too damned lazy to go about doing things the right wayRight On! I fully agree with that! But you should say 'the established way', not 'the right' way. The right way is always the best possible way for the moment (until a better one is invented). The best possible way is the most efficient way. And the most efficient techniques demand the least possible amount of work/energy for a given endproduct. For that, lazyness is more fruitful than being conservative (aping techniques from old books).
Im sorry to say, it does NOT make you look intelligent (if thats what your trying to do)I do not think I am more intelligent than most people here. But I am almost sure that I am more experienced in non-pc, non-hepablower mushroom cultivation techniques than anyone else here. Unfortunately I do not know anything about the synthetic things one can do in a biochemistry lab due to lack of experience. Exchange in knowledge is what I am after. Not looking intelligent.
Btw GOD - your arrogant writing style is kind of typical for chem guys. They always seem to look down upon biologists. Please change that. Biologists migh be needed to solve or at least scaling down the complexity of the biggest puzzles of the Hive (the lysergics).
I could tell IMMEDIATLY that you had not tried what you are talking aboutSee what I mean? But guess again!
You have been corrected on numerous holes in your proposed plan -yet you persist.See what I mean? But it is not a plan but proven methods I am writing about. The point is that you simply do not want to put my words to the test. Perhaps that you have enough 'authority' here to get a mod to lock this thread. But then you would be the sam as Louis Pasteur a century ago, who used his authority to make people swear that enzymes didn't exist (or loose their scientific credentials). It set back developemtns of techniques for decades.
So if you think I am a lyer, disprove me by experiment. Not by calling your mum or the mods to lock me out.
with love from
Yachaj
bibliopharmacophile