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ScuzZ

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Higher Quality Meth?
« on: October 09, 2003, 08:28:00 PM »
Swim has dreamt, and dreamt again, but within these dreams swim has never been able to determine whether prefiring his RP makes much of a different on the quality outcome.

Do any bees have any comments on such?

abolt

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Do any bees have any comments on such?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2003, 08:31:00 PM »
Do any bees have any comments on such?

Yep..............put your post in the correct forum. ;)


ScuzZ

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Forum decisions
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2003, 08:50:00 PM »
Swim was tossing up which forum was best to post this in, Meth is a stimulant, but the question regarded towards meth was a newbee question.

If it's in the wrong forum, I appologise.

ScuzZ

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Forum Decisions II
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2003, 04:54:00 AM »
Plus if you read the beginning posts in the Newbie forum, you would have read that specifically "Meth questions go in the stimulants forum"

So unless you're going to point swim in the right direction (let that not be up or down) keep the directionless posts to yourself.

Thanks.

WizardX

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What?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2003, 07:25:00 PM »
What do you mean, "prefiring his RP"?

tao

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Prefiring
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2003, 08:15:00 PM »
He probably means running a reaction with only rp and I2 to create HI. Some people assumed the reaction would "clean" the rp because of higher temperatures.

But according to Rhodium's information on the reaction prefiring would only waste rp since it isn't a catalyst but a reactant.

Just clean your rp if from mb in acetone, hcl and water. Sulphuric if you feel it's necessary.


Gringo

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hm.......................
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2003, 12:38:00 PM »
hm.......................

I think its more than necessary to have General Purpose Grade Reactants and chemikals to optain clean end-produkts.
4 Example: It will be dirty if you put dirt together....

geezmeister

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dilute sulphuric
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2003, 03:02:00 PM »
Dilute sulphuric if necessary. Never use full strength to clean red phos.


ScuzZ

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Prefiring?
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2003, 07:25:00 PM »
Yeah, Sorry about the delays, swims connections been ditzy.

Swim prefers not to prefire beforehand, it was just another alleyway of knowledge that might have produced a stream of opinions.

newworldorder

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geez - why not concentrated H2S04?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2003, 10:30:00 PM »
rumor has it that the strong stuff has been working  wonders for the gnomes...

is there a specific reason?

thanks

ScuzZ

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Higher Quality Meth
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2003, 04:09:00 AM »
Swims reaction does not contain H2SO4

It's Eph/P4/I2

SHORTY

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Re: Username: newworldorder geez - why not...
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2003, 08:25:00 AM »


  geez - why not concentrated H2S04?

rumor has it that the strong stuff has been working  wonders for the gnomes...

is there a specific reason?



I used it once and i don't know how or why but it turned the rp into a black sludge.




newworldorder

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scuzz - glad to hear you're not using sulfuric
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2003, 12:03:00 AM »
scuzz - glad to hear you're not using sulfuric in your reactions... its a real yield killer :P

i was actually asking geez for his rationale on avoiding conc. sulfuric to treat RP as SWIN has never had a problem with it... 

is it causing damage that is not visible to the naked eye?

geezmeister

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I have used an undiluted H2SO4 processing mbrp
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2003, 01:24:00 PM »
I have used an undiluted H2SO4 processing mbrp and created a pile of gray, clay-like substance that would not react with I2 instead of red phos. Using the same process with the same strikers and dilute H2SO4, I got a nice pile of red phos.

Several years ago ago I simmered the red phosphorous I collected from a pile of coffee filters to get rid of the paper fibers and had much the same result as I had with the strikers. None of the red phos in the filters was from match books. It doesn't take full strength H2SO4 to break down the paper fibers, and dilute H2SO4 does not damage the red phos.

Others have posted similar cautions. I was just repeating the caution.


callen

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What?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2003, 06:29:00 PM »
Lately, my friend A.L.F. has been cleaning it's RP with Straight From the Bottle sulfuric acid, water wash, HCL, water wash, dry, Acetone wash. Hasn't used the RP yet. What's wrong with this?

callen

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OOPS...
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2003, 06:33:00 PM »
Sorry...I should have read the rest of the posts.The answer was already there.


Osmium

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Strong H2SO4 might oxidise some of your rP,...
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2003, 03:33:00 AM »
Strong H2SO4 might oxidise some of your rP, producing phosphoric acids. Don't use conc. H2SO4.


newworldorder

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that settles it....
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2003, 12:06:00 AM »
well, with geez and Os in in agreement - strong sulfuric on RP is history.

(although i never perceived any problems when using it)

(then again - i don't think my acid is truly concentrated >98% or whatever)

anyways - thanks for the info

bbell

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H2SO4
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2003, 05:26:00 PM »
Sulfuric acid is used in every thing, but is washed out when purifing. Anything that is a sulfate salt has used sulfuric acid. It's in your food, medicine anything you eat or drink.Not harmful if used appropriately.

SHORTY

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Your stomach contains hcl acid but....
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2003, 07:37:00 PM »
What would happen if you took a swig outta the bottle that you use to titrate with?  I think the main point is that its ok to use a diluted solution of sulfuric to wash your rp, however, avoid using the concentrated acid.  Personally, if an acid wash is necessary then i would use hcl and a little phosphoric.  The phosphoric seems to keep the rp in the beaker while decanting and since it will bee created in the rxn anyway then it won't do any harm if all is not removed.  I just can't stand the smell of sulfuric acid.


weaz1dls

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HCl
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2003, 04:46:00 PM »
I must agree w/short.  SWIW uses hcl straight from the bottle on the MBoxRP. SHake together in drink bottle for aprox one minute stain add h20 to the stips left in the bottle shake pour.  Not to many strips in the bottle at once though.  After pouring into jar/beaker iso is added the mix is nucked with a funnel on top of the jar for bump trap and helps keep in mix by condesation.  Upon boiling the mix is left to settle decanted and repeated 3x last one in conjunction with tone. Then a plastic reusable coffee filter placed in a bowl. Hot water is used to rinse the rp free from the paper fibers,  redip the fitler, swirl finger in mix while lifting out of bowl, etc.. pour rp/water from bowl into Sun Tea jug w/spout.  repeat the rinse till fibers left in filter are only a pale pink color. Usually the last rinse will be almost enogh to fill the jug. Half the rp floats while the other hlaf drops so carefully pour this hot water into another jug of same size. Box them back and forth 3 times and the rp falls in the still warm h20 in a couple of minutes the water is clear, some stil float. Release the water through the spout leaving a little in for pouring. Pour the rp muck into a courning dish rinse the last of the rp out of the jug w/tone. Put in micro to dry. place the lid to the courning cockeyed on top of the dish. just enough to release the steam,tone but it will contain the rp if it starts that popping shit. (Most of the time it will only pop if ya skimped on the iso or wased to many fiber through the filter requiring another dry filter next.)rinse againg with a little tone if your a fanatic, it will dry pretty quick then scrapes off in a fine powder and SWIW means a fine powder. (staticly sticks to everything) SWIW usually gathers and runs through a strainer (small plastic w/micro funnel underneith) into plastic film containers. Cap n store. cost runs somewhere around $5.14/gr the resulting powder under microscope was roughly guessed to be 75% rp, for the source is not books. THe left over rp from reaction drops by about a 3rd. it is reused with the 1/3 replaced by fresh rp in a continuos cycle with excellent results. Straying away from the rp though in xchange for the phos...ic, I2, NaI,.... never mind what was SWIW saying?????
Where is that glass dick oh there it is! :o

dirtybird

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Ok then but how much and for how long?
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2004, 03:49:00 AM »
If you can use acetone, hcl and water. How much of it and for how long?

Chong9886

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I am posting on education of watching.
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2004, 12:21:00 AM »
I am posting on education of watching. Never doing 1st hand experience. (I am a forced total newbee) My best friend who taught me the little I know would force his rp to fire off by throwing in a 3-5 match heads depending on quantity. This would help when he was in a pinch to get-er-done. However he did state this would lose yield and you had to be much more carefull or you could ruin it all.

Cheech

biotechdude

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things that make u go mmm
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2004, 04:54:00 PM »
I know would force his rp to fire off by throwing in a 3-5 match heads depending on quantity

Chong may have found a new source for iodine!!  And to think, we thought those match heads were useless...