Shorty and Geez are correct about the hydration factor and I'd even bee inclined to agree with geez on the ratio if it weren't for one critical area of concern...The HI concentration camp factor!
Come back down to earth, Ware. The concentration of HI is fine even with a ratio of water to pseudo above 1:1. IME 1 ml H2O to 1 ml I2 in the presence of the ratios of phosphorous anyone recommends will give an HI concentration high enough to drive this reaction. You'll need all 48 hours at the lower concentrations.
It's been The Kidz experience that if a rise occurs in the reactants at any time, then that rise will deposit RP up to the highest level it wants to rise on the flask before the reactants subside back down to reflux level. Early on in rxn, the reactants will be less viscous and a simple swirling will suffice to bring it back into play. But as the rxn progresses, the precursors become more viscous(thicker)!
Yeah yeah...I know....some will say, "Yeah that's because Ibee don't use enough dh2o from the Ghet-Go" to prevent that from hapening!
Damn right. Sure seems simple to me. You could add enough water at the outset that this sticking-on-the-side-of-the-flask thing is just not a problem. You should try more water some time, Ware.
Rest assured...Many fail-safes are factored into why Ibee's ratio's are as they are. He's seen his share of bees reporting unconverted or failed LWR attempts to know the areas that may be the likeliest cause. Aside from less than pristine clean feedstock.
I disagree, my friend. Lower moisture levels do not produce more dope, they produce more byproducts-- when things are not as they should be in the flask.
And in no way am I saying that those ratio's won't work for the seasoned bee under the working conditions they've established!Let's remember that many bees look to this guidance and these suggestions that have not yet established equal ability or experience...or conditioning!
Utter nonsense. You may as well recommend the newbee to a hot, fast, dry reaction. Any newbee who has basically clean precursors can use the ratios I success and if they let the reflux take care of itself have success. That additional water is its own safety factor, and limits by product formation, and assures a good completion.
With that said, when all things are considered, like HI concentration...flucuations in heat...wetness of precursors...humidity...etc..., it leaves the door wide open for Murphy's Law and The MethGodz to say "Screw That...This Newbee WILL NOT rise UP on the Third Day!"
God knows they turned a deaf ear to Ibee's chants on more than one occassion.
With a dryer mix, I don't doubt the deaf ears. My recommended methods call for honest glassware, good precursors, a stable heat source (in fact, I recommend an oil bath and consider the recommendation an important part of the whole) and keeping your nose out of the damn flask for the whole reaction so outside temperature and humidity are not a factor at all.
Ibee included the suggested 8-10 hr Checkpoints for the soul purpose of allowing bees to see if anything cereMOANiously deposited itself outside the pool ware AWE the fun is taking place.
If the reactants are still viscous(semi) than a simple swirling will not suffice without the drier, stuck on glass RP(Outta The Poolbunch) seeking the company of those still in the pool having a blast!
In other words...a swirling will sometimes deposit more on top of the drier RP rather than clean what's there off!
If that's the case, ya gotta open the rxn and coax everything back in.
To translate from Wareamiese to English: "Fuck with the reaction every eight hours by opening it up, stirring it, adding water as necessary, and generally tweaking around with it." In the first place, if you start with enough water, you won't have to wash anything back down. In the second place, you won't have to open the reaction up so gas can escape, humidity can enter, seals get compromised, or the tweaker in each of us do something unwise. Add everything you need to start with, and don't open it up until its done. If you use enough water you don't have to tweak with it. You have stated the most succinct argument for a wetter reflux that I can make, Ware. It should start out wet enough that it doesn't stick to the flask when swirled.
The question was what to do with the gas pressure in the event the rxn needs uncapped.
If you have to open it up plan on losing some gas. Better to set it up so you don't have to open it up, but if you do... pinch the damn balloon and tie a quick slip knot in it to hold the gas. Or just let it go. You don't need the balloon for the whole time anyway. And the pressure is, at most, just gravy. The reaction will run fine after the initial gas production with no balloon on the condenser -- if the condenser is doing its job-- and you will have just enough gas escape to smell it a bit. Leave the balloon on to control odor. When I do have to open one up, I don't worry with maintaining any pressure in the balloon. I just put it back on and if it blows up some again, fine. I like going two days with the same size inflation in the balloon, and never having to take it off. By all means-- cool everything down if you have to open it up. The first time you bust a flask or coffee pot or Sobe bottle with cool water mid reaction will be the last time you pull that dumb a stunt. Its really much easier to add everything the reaction needs at the start, so you never need to open it up.
One slight adjust(accidental) by adding moist I2, FB E, or over compensation of the suggested .08ml dh2o, is enough to lower the concentration of HI. For a time, mind you! But that time may be during the critical preconversion/impurity decomposition stage and without tacking that time back onto the end somewhere, a bee might end UP with less than "As good as it Ghets" for AWE they've invested timewise to that point.
Its not that sensitive to the amount of water, Ware. Particularly at the start. You just have to give it more time. At the ratio I suggest, you can add wet iodine and add water later and still have the reaction complete. Thbe ratios I suggest are not at the outer edges of the envelope by any stretch of the imagination. At your ratio, you risk by product formation at the start, or by overheating the slurry that sticks to the sides of the flask. Get it wet.
These are areas that only bees control and one undersite/oversite might put a bee back to square on on the quest for the "Wholeliest Rail"(As Good As It Ghets)
Just some fine points to consider
And I much prefer to get a good wet bath to reflux my pseudo in for a couple of days. I control the reaction from the outset to avoid having to open it up and risk operator error. Or avoid adding too much water because it obviously needs more water than it has. I'm not being disrespectful here, I just differ with you because I can't see the sense in doing something in a way you have to tinker with it over and over when you can do it in set-it-and-forget way to start with. Jacked and Placebo will always be my heroes, because I learned how to make meth from them. And I watched those reactions all the way through, intently. Then I listened and learned from Os, and got lucky enough to realize that the reaction didn't need me, it just needed clean precursors and enough water to run its course. Damn, its so simple. No user serviceable parts inside the geezmeister LWR. Cook until done, then extract. Tweaking not needed or observed until the crystals crash out in the fridge in the end. Its MORE than a philosophy, Ware, its science. Its doing it in a way that the reaction does its thing on its on. Its too damn easy, which is why it needs to be done that way. Add a little more water. Take it easy for a change.
he will appeal to you're fact finding side with the obsevations he's been exposed to over time and hope that they make some sense.(Without the aid of tequila)
Ware, you made my arguments for me. I don't need to even make them. Just add a little more water and let the reaction do its dance by itself. I'd rather watch Susie strip down doing her pole dance while I drink a little tequila than stay sober and have to work at stripping her down while she dances. Get her wet enough at the start and she'll do it all for you.
Hmmmm.
Wonder if we got Aztec wet enough....? ;)
You yourself admit that a condensor isn't required throughout the rxn.
I admit the pressure isn't necessary, and after the initial production of HI may be dispensed with so long as the condenser is in place and working.
I've asked about this several times in the past with no reply. "What is a required amount of dh2o to create HI in the 50-57% range when marrying RP with I2 and maintaining that concentration in the presence of E?"
This depends on how much iodine you add, and whether you have enough phosphorous present. I add less water than iodine--0.8:1.2 typically for a red p reaction, although I don't hesitate to use 1:1.2 ratio and have used a 1:1 ratio. In my experience, when the ratio exceeds 1:1 -- and I hit the excess at 1.5:1.2 the reaction tended to stall. Can I answer your question? No. Not with any certainty or precision, or scientific logic. I can say that from my experience the 50% concentration of HI (and as I understand it, as long as the concentration is higher than 50% the reaction will proceed) can be maintained if you use less than 1ml of water for each gram of I2 and use a little more than a molar amount of red phosphosphorous. Using a little higher concentration seems to speed the reaction, but using too high a concentration tends to create by-products.
(And BTW Ware... with your recent posts, you have again demonstrated your ability to make really good methamphetamine...) ;)
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