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LukkyDMethod:
Nunia:

Almost there dude, but keep reading and replaying every step in that dream.  Down to every last detail, such as how your hand will pour the liquid!  Once one can do this successfully and understand it, they will begin to master the process of the A/B.

SWIL usually titrates.  And like everybody has been saying, the yields(in theory) should be the same.  SWIL realizes that in his reality, they aren't always the same.  See, SWIL has no seperatory funnel, so he is doomed low yields due to titration failure with the turkey baster and eye dropper technique!

Nunia, SWIN has come along way.  Tell him to keep reading, and maybe rather than beat him back under the stairs for his mistakes, reward him for his positive progress.

The art of the A/B is a crucial step.  Learn it, the time spent will pay in diamonds and $$$

Lukky D

Nuniabiz:
thanx all much apreaciated and all excellent advice. the problem was that my friends friend dreamed this dream with out any consultation and callled swin in to try to rescue his callamity.

a post rxn a/b and then steam distillation and titration was attempted on part of the rxn fluid which was in swin's eyes obviously contaminated with peg at least. bright yellow but it was swihis gig and swin was just to attempt to save what was salvagable.

he has decided where he went wrong.... if there was a complete rxn at all that is swin wasn't even in the neighborhood so??? can say. but when the washes were complete and basing was started swin unfortunately had not added the new NP and just based the rxn fluid alone in swin's mind though this should have only created a layer of freebase oil which should then have been picked up by the NP when added. is this not true? the whole thing has been put on hold while other dreams have been dreamed without peobem but waswte not want not as swin's pops used to say .
again many thanx for the responses and great info
stay safe
Nunia

wareami:
waswte not want not
--- End quote ---

How true!
All of the answers were provided Nunia.
The initial conception of acid/base titration is ware SWIN got trapped under the stairs!
With the two newest Gaak's to hit the market, if they aren't removed prior to rxn, the post rxn workup is severely hindered by pH climates. Before with the one Poo-Tang, just the basing side was affected! Now a darker reddish orange substance has reared it's ugly head which in Ibee's eye's, reeks havoc on the acidity side.
Both will lock UP the Amine! You can titrate or gas your ass off and still come UP empty handed if you GO one Toke over the line either way!
SWIN: When basing the postrxn solution, always use an NP buffer on top of the Honey water! Basing straight will screw ya because of the pH testing and the time needed for the amine to move UP! Since SWIN is learning this newer strange A/B method, might as well do it right by including visuals, that rarely fail! Regardless of how bad they fuck with the pH to prevent amine mining!
Base with a 50% dilute lye solution...IN SPLASHES. Look for the ribbons to move UP into the NP. BASE NO MORE! Pull the amine loaded NP. Check the pH of the basified solution after pulling NP. Add fresh NP. Check pH again. If under 12.5pH, Add a splash of dilute NAOH.
You should notice a difference in pH....before and after adding fresh NP.
For some reason, this new shit (Gaak) is that sensitive to pH and locks the amine if overshot. And based on findings at Camp P2M, locking UP is occuring on the gassing side as well! Ibee could bee wrong, but he blames the redder orange Poo-Tang, not the peach colored Poo-tang! They must be working hand in hand!
Now that a few NP pulls have been collected and contain amines, add 25ml dh2o to NP/Honey! Add dropwise 9 drops of hcl and shake. Check pH of dh2o/honey. Should be under 7pH! Bee careful not to overshoot and go below 3pH.
It hasn't been tested yet by UP-AWE-NITE labs on the titration end, but Ibee seems to think that adding more NP/Amine to the over-acidified mix, if it happens to go below 3pH, will re-release the amine into the dh2o layer!
In any case, stay glued to the newest UPdates from the worker bees on how to cirumvent disaster concerning these newer gaak's!
Ibee feels the time has cum to explore the new avenues to obtaining starter feed! The writing is on the Wall!
Good Luck Friend
Terminal Velocity
Peace 8)

mickyfinn:
add 25ml dh2o to NP/Honey! Add dropwise 9 drops of hcl and shake. Check pH of dh2o/honey. Should be under 7pH!
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There is a thread by geez that indicates 10 drops Muriatic/HCI to 75ml DH20 is the ratio? Is this due to differences in available rxn fluid used or?

SWIM has serious questions about the ker plunk as well but will post separately in own thread. Thinks he got it last night but the volume was so small and the verbage seemingly contrary that he's not sure it was done correctly. SWIM needs to be sure with the current completed "Frankenstein Alchemy" rxn that he uses the best methodology available for the current prevailing conditions. There is thick yellow fluid in somebody's flask...

[Frankenstein alchemy]
"yes, Igor, we know this reflux has been opened, nearly rinsed through, refined with additions, stopped and refined again, refired, and refired again...just fire it up again please, thank you."

wareami:
Mickey: The amount of amine present will determine the initial pH of the honeywater solution!
The Kidz have never been one to question the GeezMonster or his directives regarding amounts.
They just give amounts based on what works for them! Not that the amounts geez quoted won't work!
Is this due to differences in available rxn fluid used or?
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A heavily saturated solution will still contain the maximum available amine if the pH was basic enough to send the amine into the NP and enough room allows for the amine to occupy it. Therefore, if 2g of amine is taken into 250ml NP and then salted with 9drops hcl into 75ml dh2o the pH should be the same as if the amine saturated 25ml dh2o were used and 9drops hcl were added.
Jacked always suggested that the more dh2o the merrier when titrating postrxn workUPs!
The Kidz don't always have the patience to wait on 75ml of dh2o to evap so they force a saturation situation in 25ml and it requires the same amount of hcl!
If'n that makes sense!
Then they will add another 25ml dh2o to the NP/Honey and add 6drops hcl and shake! Pull the h2o and evap.
It helps to check the pH at this stage!
They repeat until all amine is pulled from the NP!
Geez is right though...as it is better to use more dh2o because patience always pays in the end. All bees know that!
:)
Peace 8)

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