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The Hive => Stimulants => Topic started by: BizzyBee on January 09, 2004, 02:47:00 PM

Title: Taste of methylaminorex?
Post by: BizzyBee on January 09, 2004, 02:47:00 PM: Swim refluxed 15g of norpseudoephedrine in 32% hcl for 3
hours then added acetone to precipitate and rinse the
noreph/norpseudo hcl crystals.

These crystals were refluxed for 3 hours with 7g of sodium
cyanate and 50ml dh2o, upon cooling the urea deriatives
precipitated.

100ml of 15% hcl were slowly added to the urea/rxn fluid
and refluxed for 3 hours, upon cooling nothing precipitated
which is a good sign i think.

Sodium bicarbonate was carefully added and some pleasent
smelling white stuff precipitated. After filtering them out
they were washed with plenty of h20 then dried. Yeild was
1.2g

Upon smoking a sample a hint of ammonia or urea taste was
noticed, this shit tastes unpleasant and leaves residue
when vaporized.

Swim tried to a/b it, the bottom layer turned a very nasty
yellow color and when evaporated left a sticky hydroscopic
type substance. Swim added sodium bicarb/water to this crap
and got back .8g of the same nasty shit he started with.

It does not resemble anything like the crystals pictured @
erowid.org but rather a white non-reflective powder.

4 lungfulls of smoke didn't do nothing worth noticeing
besides remind me of ammonia.

Is that how aminorex tastes?

Would the sulphuric or acetic form work in a/b?
Title: IMHO
Post by: barkingburro on January 14, 2004, 04:52:00 AM: from swibb's past logs i remeber reading that 4-methyl has avery clean and distinct taste. almost like... how should swibb say... minty? very full thick smoke. just swibb's opinion
Title: fruity
Post by: CharlieBigpotato on January 14, 2004, 05:13:00 AM: 4-mar (fb) has a fruity flavor, when vaporized and inhaled.
oddly enough (in swim's experience) the fruity flavor is not noticeable until the exhalation
Title: Suckin' on an oldschool Dimetapp
Post by: ChemoSabe on January 14, 2004, 05:28:00 AM: I recall Curbshot speaking of vaporizing some of this and saying something to the effect of "it smokes like no other" (in a good way) and had a powerful penis hardening effect.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

And what's been people's duration of effect for it? I hear it can run a pretty long course.

I sort of miss the old dimetapp pills that my old pediatrician used to prescribe me. They were round, flattened and pearly blue. I sucked on one once 'cause it had a sugary coating but then I hit a dark, metallic tasting core that was not pleasant. I don't recall their effect so well now but I do remember having no aversion to taking them like I had with the prescribed ephedrine.

I wonder what's now subbed in the new dimetapp recipe for the now forbidden phenylpropanolamine?

I'll bet if those ditzy dexatrim dieters hadn't overloaded their pill intake that phenylpropanolamine products would still be freely available.
Title: is it just my penis?
Post by: CharlieBigpotato on January 14, 2004, 05:49:00 AM: fuck.
is it just zib who has never noticed the "dick-hardening" effects of amphetamines?
i wonder why it is mentioned so often?
imho,
the exact opposite is more true
Title: I never got effects from smoking it.
Post by: Bandil on January 14, 2004, 02:12:00 PM: I never got effects from smoking it. The smoke is simply to harsh for me to get enough of... It REALLY tasted horrible and the taste lingers for quite some time.

The synth sound like a succes. The amide does not precipitate when basified.

Regards
Bandil
Title: Update
Post by: BizzyBee on January 14, 2004, 03:50:00 PM: Swim acidified the stuff with hcl then evaporated most of
the water only to observe a nasty brown liquid that would
not evaporate any further. Swim added acetone to rinse away
a dark colored impurity off the tiny glittery crystals that
precipitated.

Upon smoking a sample spec on foil the nasty urea taste is
nearly untraceable and I guess it could be described as a
odd "minty" taste but "fruity" is definitley not even
close.

Swim did not notice much of any dopamine/seratonin type
effects from a few big hits but it did give a mild rush of
addrenalin [just the opposite of what swim wants].

Swim will consume 35-45mg at a more convienient time
and post the effects.

Im sure the starting material was lab grade
dl-norpseudoephedrine so maybe swim has racemic 4-mar?

Or maybe that could have something to do with the low
yeild?

I see why it can be called "ICE", when the crystals are
melted they form a clear solid instead of crystal shapes
upon cooling.
Title: shrinky dink/mushroom dick
Post by: ChemoSabe on January 15, 2004, 01:02:00 AM: ChuckShrunkenPotato wrote: fuck. is it just zib who has never noticed the "dick-hardening" effects of amphetamines?

I used to get the often mentioned "shinky dink" or "mushroom dick" effects from stims connected to the phenethylamine lineage but at some point it reversed and the opposite effect began.

Someone once stated (maybe Jacked?) that until you developed a reasonable tolerance that you'd consistently get the shrinky dink effect.

In my case that has been the case.

PS- Isn't someone working on a "big boner" expression icon?
Title: Boner
Post by: morpheus on January 15, 2004, 01:43:00 AM: Swim would get the dick hardening effect as he put his
crank in a spoon and prepared to iv it.Since he smokes
instead of iving he no longer gets it.However he can have sex all night long and sometimes has trouble climaxing.
More than once he has had the women dry up after she had multiple orgasisms and thrown swim off of her saying
"Your hurting me".
Title: enough of the limp dick posts please
Post by: BizzyBee on January 16, 2004, 12:50:00 AM: Well it took around 110mg oral to give desired effects so
im assuming it must be racemic..

Instead of doing the hcl reflux on the norpseudo would the
Lithium/Alcohol rout have any advantages for synthing
noreph?
Title: > Well it took around 110mg oral to give...
Post by: Osmium on January 16, 2004, 02:03:00 AM: > Well it took around 110mg oral to give desired effects so
> im assuming it must be racemic..

No, your assumption is wrong, it's terribly impure.
Title: Explain your theiry
Post by: BizzyBee on January 16, 2004, 08:13:00 AM: Can you prove?

Are you saying racemic 4mar from dl-norephedrine is not
posible?

What impuritys would be involved when useing lab grade
chems?

This stuff was washed with h20 in its freebase form, a/b
extracted and washed with acetone in its salt form,
recrystalized and burns clean.

I dont think it can be distilled.
Title: The Stereoisomers of 4-Methylaminorex
Post by: Rhodium on January 16, 2004, 03:21:00 PM: There are four possible stereoisomers, two enantiomeric pairs, each having either cis- or trans- configuration. If you use the cyanate route you will always end up with the trans form. If it's d-, l- or dl-trans-4-MAR you get depends on the optical purity of your starting material only, there is no way you could racemize or isomerize anything on your way to the product, as the stereochemistry is set as soon as you choose your starting material.

Some clarifying pictures:
https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/4-mar.stereoisomers.html (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/4-mar.stereoisomers.html)
Title: Great link I missed!
Post by: BizzyBee on January 17, 2004, 01:31:00 AM: The melting point seems to bee in the 130's according to
swims makeshift mp finder.

This tells swim that it must be dl-trans4mar hcl derived
from dl-norephedrine hcl.

110mg [hcl] of it seemed to be a good dose for a 200 pound
bee with a stimulant tolerence.

The only hurdle thats left is optimizing the norpseudo to
noreph conversion for better yeilds.

Any ideas what swim can do with the wonderfull smelling
amide/h2o/sodium-bicarb/sodium-chloride solution?

Maybe swim will create a new flavor called u4euh...
Title: Late edit
Post by: BizzyBee on January 20, 2004, 08:40:00 PM: Swim meant "derived from dl-norpseudoephedrine hcl"
Title: This stuff was never ment to be smoked!
Post by: trans4mar on February 07, 2004, 10:26:00 PM: Even when you put some on a bowl of weed the smoke is still too harsh. It is NOT GOOD FOR YOUR LUNGS!

IMO.....the ICE they are talking about smoking is just recryst. meth. SWIM just went through it. THey swear the ICE they have isnt meth then SWIM gives some real 4mar and what happens......They say "damn you cant smoke this!"

SWIM has recryst. in
99% ISO(pretty clean nice sparkle, NOT TO BE SMOKED)
acetone (didnt even try)
toulene (didnt try, but the stuff makes the best crystals)

Smoke meth with the best of em, but smoking 4mar..........hell no.

Im open to suggestions to prove me wrong........

;D
Title: Minty freshness
Post by: Chewbacca on February 08, 2004, 09:27:00 PM: The minty flavour of the smoke one bee described sounds like meth, not 4MAR then. SWICs last batch reminded him of mouthwash every time.
Title: can everyone bee wrong?
Post by: CharlieBigpotato on February 09, 2004, 07:03:00 AM
Title: hey guys
Post by: auntyjack on February 09, 2004, 02:19:00 PM
Title: bandil is not wrong, Im not wrong..............
Post by: trans4mar on February 10, 2004, 01:10:00 AM: This stuff taste like shit. Im still coughing shit from parts of my lungs i never new existed. I am a 4.4 mile runner every other day. After smoking this shit i cant even make it the first 2.2. Daily pot smoker but still do 4.4 no problem.

Eat the shit and wait a hour or two.(i eat 1/2 of a 10th gram. I think???)

SWIMS friend that does ICE(recrys meth, pure) pretty regular said this about real 4mar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I ate it(1/10th g) with lunch about 1pm, nothing happend the first hour so i was thinking the guy that said he made it prob. fucked up." "In the next 2hours, I went from sober to geeeeeked out with no "getting hi" time at all. I have never in my life been that geeked out." "the 3 people i gave it to, so they could try it, are no where to be found. Nobodys seen them in 2 days. I dont think im ever gonna sleep again.........this shit sucks, im awake, but not fucked up. I could write a term paper in two hours and ive been up for 2 nights....."

So again weekly meth(high quality)users think this is just too much for to long.

PS......they all said "hell no you cant smoke this shit"
Title: inhaling 4mar vapours?
Post by: CharlieBigpotato on February 10, 2004, 07:26:00 AM: swim found it do-able, but, as mentioned earlier, it was free base.
as mentioned, it had a distinctly fruity flavor, upon exhalation.
it was also quite easy to overheat, and it was a real choker when that happened.
50 mg was plenty for swim; effects were a sort of psychedelic version of meth...had strong focus with a mellow aspect that allowed some smelling of the roses.

also, swim has never noticed any flavor or smell w/ vapours or meth-HCl.

no minty.

which is why i made an insignificant remark in prior post.

(btw, the 4mar swim experimented with was not synthed from the cyanide route.)
Title: Vapor Nice - Smoke Yukk?
Post by: ChemoSabe on February 10, 2004, 05:14:00 PM: Based on this comment from Chuck... it was also quite easy to overheat, and it was a real choker when that happened.

it sounds like you need to bee quite skilled in monitoring/adjusting the heat source and vaporization vessel/pipe with this stuff.

Curbshot seemed to have the opinion that it was the best huff of all time but I'm guessing that his skills in the fine art of vaporization are probably world class.

anybee know the melting point for MAR as a comparison to that of meth?

And chuck, how did you store the MAR freebase?
Title: the oral way
Post by: CharlieBigpotato on February 10, 2004, 05:37:00 PM: oral is probably the way to go w/ 4mar; even fb, cis/trans mix.

oral is probably the best approach with all sorts of drugs.
thru the digestive tact.
with weighed doses.

funny that its almost never done that way.
too easy, i guess. or not enough ritual.

don't recall the curb's 4mar huff tales. you have it?
swimmy here found it bizzarely difficult to huff fumes of this one. 2 identical (seemingly) hits on the glass; one is completely tasteless on the way in; strong fruity-type taste upon exhale.
the other, a complete choking, toxic atmosphere.

friends experienced similarly.

but there's a few different versions of 4mar, as well as fb & salt. swim's experience therein is highly anecdotal.
perhaps 10X

so i know nothing, more or less.
Title: swim used bandils synth.
Post by: trans4mar on February 11, 2004, 12:54:00 AM: swim used bandils synth. and tried

freebase(no a/b)
isoprop. recryst.
acetone
laqure thinner(HD)had the best looking crystals you can imagine.

ALLLLLLLLL smokes like shit. You can top a bowl of weed with some powder and it melts down nice, but nothing like eating about 30mg of pure bandil synth no clean up shit.

I stayed up for 4 days, 1 line(snorted) in the morning, and maybe a couple foil hits(yuk) at night time when SWIM made it the first time I think SWIMs tolerence is up a bit.

Fixing to stop doing drugs for awhile ;)
Title: IMHO
Post by: barkingburro on February 17, 2004, 05:07:00 AM: 4-mar is definately smokeable. it wasn't meth and it smokes in a quite different way. it is very easy to scorch. VERY easy. use thick glass and a bic or a very small torch flame. don't heat the drug itself, heat the glass and roll the 4-mar onto the heated glass. before you start deciding that others are mistaken in thier claims perhaps you should learn better technique, daniel san.
Title: tried it!
Post by: trans4mar on February 18, 2004, 01:52:00 AM: Hell i tried it this weekend. No high really, put some in the bottom of glass pipe. Heated the bottom till i got some vapor, smoke, whatever. Still, i could bearly breath sunday night(foil, glass pipe, blunt mix, bowl with shit on top)ISO recrystal, toulene, acetone, all recrystal sucked to smoke. Sorry, but maybe the method of synth. makes a difference, but I only smoked this weekend cause you fkers talked me into it with all this fruit smoke talk.

no thanks...............