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Rhodium

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DMT from Me2N-CH2-COBr?
« on: October 08, 2001, 02:41:00 PM »
Would acylation of indole with Me2N-CH2-COBr work? Or would the tertiary amine interfer with the acyl halide in some way?

After that, the reduction of the carbonyl group would be very easy, yielding DMT.

Greensnake

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Re: DMT from Me2N-CH2-COBr?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2001, 04:36:00 PM »
Hmmm...... I would expect kinda serious mess on this route (I don't want  to say it's outright impossible, but quite a problems are to be expected) First, I doubt that it is possible to make free bromanhydride of N,N-dimehylglycine (without a salt on amine part). Second, indole acylation in 3 position is not exactly simplest thing on earth (indole can as well and preferably acylate on N; that standart dmt route via oxalylchloride is exception rather than rule, which is possible because oxalylchloride is not a typical chloranhydride)
Well, I can be wrong, I confess, that I'm a bit rusty in finesses of indole chemistry. Maybe some clever guys already discovered reliable ways of indole acylation (perhaps with nontraditional Lewis acid catalysis) and I just don't know them?

My personal half educated opinions only.  :)

Greensnake

Rhodium

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Re: DMT from Me2N-CH2-COBr?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2001, 04:53:00 PM »
Indole can be acylated with alpha-bromo-propionylbromide, as seen in

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/it-290.html


Greensnake

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Re: DMT from Me2N-CH2-COBr?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2001, 03:35:00 PM »
Ok, I guess, I may be a bit too pessimistic.

Still, why do I faintly recall having seen some quite messy indole
acylations? (low yields, purif nightmares) Prolly need to reseach
some lit.

Greensnake
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picloud

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Re: DMT from Me2N-CH2-COBr?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2001, 11:46:00 PM »
What you definitely can do is run a Vilsmeir at the 3 position and make the formaldehyde.  Then one supposes the nitroalkene can be made and reduced to yield DMT?

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Rhodium

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Re: DMT from Me2N-CH2-COBr?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2001, 03:17:00 AM »
Reduction of the nitroethene from nitromethane and indole-3-carboxaldehyde would yield tryptamine, not DMT.