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ning

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Please criticize: route-Acetaminophen to DOB/DOC
« on: October 25, 2003, 08:52:00 PM »
Ning was thinking of a fairly simple, OTC route from acetaminophen to DOC. Please give review and criticism, so ning can improve it.

Step 1: hydrolyze acetaminophen to p-aminophenol.
Refluxing in HCl or NaOH, ala Rhodium.

Step 2: oxidize p-aminophenol to quinone.
Using MnO2 from battery. Reflux, ning supposes.

Step 3. Add HCl(or HBr) to quinone to yield chloro (bromo) hydroquinone.

Step 4. Methylate chlorohydroquinone to p-dimethoxychlorobenzene
Ning knows how to do that...

Step 5. Alkylate with chloroacetone to yield DOC-P2P.

Step 6. Reductively aminate any way you see fit.

Ning has seen documents giving at least hints that all of these steps are feasible in decent yields. Molar throughput yield of about 20-25% from acetaminophen are expected.

So there it is. Any thoughts? The chloroacetone alkylation should be much higher yielding than the one on rhodium's p2p document, since the ring is activated and steric effects give the acetone essentially only one place to go.
A strong catalyst should be used, and not too high heat, as ning has heard that yield is lowered by a type of decarboxylation reaction when alkylating with acetone-like ketones at high temperatures.

Lilienthal

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No reply without links and references...
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2003, 02:46:00 AM »
No reply without links and references...

Lego

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Some critics&proposals
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2003, 06:22:00 AM »
Why start from Acetaminophen?
Hydroquinone is OTC and only needs one step to benzoquinone.

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/benzoquinone.html



Step 3&4 can bee performed in a one-step reaction.
Dissolve benzoquinone in MeOH saturated with HBr and you will get 2,5-dimethoxyphenylbromide (unfortunately no exact procedure was found, as soon as Lego has the detailed procedure it will bee posted).

The next step would be the formation of 2,5-DiMeO-P2P. Lego suggests the following method:

Post 464635 (missing)

(Lego: "P2P from bromobenzene/CuI/Acetylacetone", Methods Discourse)


Reductive amination and halogenating the 4-position will yield the desired 2,5-dimethoxy-4-halogen-amphetamine.




PS: UTFSE and search for chloroacetone, you will see it is no fun to work with this compound.


Rhodium

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The use of acetaminophen (a.k.a. paracetamol)
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2003, 09:39:00 AM »
The use of acetaminophen (a.k.a. paracetamol) as a drug precursor has been discussed before in this thread:

Post 224004 (missing)

(fructose: "route from acetaminophen (paracetamol)", Chemistry Discourse)

ning

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indeed
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2003, 06:10:00 AM »
...but they talk about diazotizing the amino off, before going off on some tangents. The essential and beautiful thing about the quinone route is that it requires nothing wierd like nitrites, and gets you SOOO close to the DOC/DOB precursor you need. Only heating in H2SO4/MnO2 followed by  HCl or HBr, people! Out of frickin' tylenol! The alkylation looks to be the tricky part, but it too is beautiful--by both activating and populating the ring first, there's pretty much only one spot it can alkylate the acetone into, so the ususal stuff that kills the efficiency of the alkylation doesn't matter here. Ning is aware of the nastiness attributed to chloroacetone, although has no personal experience with the stuff. Currently ning is searching for a good way to make it. TCCA seems promising. Ning has a great paper where they allylate benzene with ~80% yield, but allyl chloride is troublesome to make, so if acetone will do, ning would prefer it...
 btw, ning promises to post that paper too, of course...

And yes, ning has heard quinone is commercially available, but ning's dream is to make a (hypothetical) synth that is completely OTC from only the most common ingredients, if possible, so any bee, anytime, anywhere, can whip up a batch of something sweet.
250g acetaminophen is about 7 to 10$. If that was converted to DOC in 20% yield, you would have around 7000 full-blooded doses. It may be less economical than buying quinone, but it would appear to be still very easy, and ning thinks much safer and more accessible. Lets take some heat off the photo guys, and save our purchases for PdCl2 and such, ne?  ;)  Of course, if you are thinking industrially, it is different, but then, you can surely get what you need by different means.
If you are dreaming personally, or for that select circle of friends, one bottle of tylenol will take you a looooooong way. So let's not be too picky. ;)

ning

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By the way, Lego...
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2003, 06:15:00 AM »
What is this acetylacetone? it sounds like you would need chloroacetone to make it...
Maybe it's like acetic anhydride, except with acetone on one side?

Lego

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Try harder...
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2003, 06:47:00 AM »
What is this acetylacetone?

Is it so hard to use the 'image search' of Google? Entering 'acetylacetone' will answer your question!
Acetylacetone is OTC, it is used as a solvent  ;) .


The alkylation looks to be the tricky part

Methyl tosylate is OTC and compared to other methylating agents quite harmless, yields should be good. Lego has posted two more OTC methylating agents, one of them will work for your purposes.


Step 1: hydrolyze acetaminophen to p-aminophenol.
Refluxing in HCl or NaOH, ala Rhodium.


Could you please give the link? Lego is too lazy to search it  ;) .


ning

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Proposed procedure: Acetaminophen-->quinone OTC
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2003, 07:20:00 AM »
To 50 mL H20 heated to 50C and stirred, add
4g H2SO4
2.3g crushed acetaminophen tablets (A)

After A has dissolved as much as it will, add

1.4g (anhydrous. equiv. wt.) MnO2

Let stir for several hours, or until color change is complete. (ning assumes quinone is colored)

Slowly add 4g NaHCO3 and let solution cool. Shake with xylene, (or ether, whatever), strain solids, separate.
Quinone should be in xylene layer.

What happened?
This procedure combines extraction, hydrolysis and oxidation in one step. The formula goes something like this:

Hydrolysis: Ph(OH)NH-Ac + H2O (acid) --> Ph(OH)NH2 + AcOH
Oxidation : Ph(OH)NH2 + MnO2 + 2H2SO4 --> O=C(CHCH)C=O + MnSO4 + NH4SO4
Cleanup   : MnSO4 + NH4SO4 + AcOH + 2NaHCO3 --> MnSO4 + NH3 + NaOAc + NaHSO4 + 2H20 + 2CO2 (?)

As far as ning knows, only quinone will be appreciably soluble in nonpolar solvents.

All OTC, if it works. No chromiums or nitrites.

Now, before smoeone gets mad, ning does have one paper on this, involving MW chem. ning will post it, but it isn't really all that relavant, the most important phrase (from memory) being "MnO2 is a gentle, effective oxidizing agent which will convert alcohols to corresponding aldehydes without overoxidation to carboxylic acids". They also hint that their silica supported, solvent-free microwave oxidation is more clean, but not higher yielding than the corresponding with-solvent, standard-heating procedure.  Since the solvent procedure permits combining hydrolysis, and since ning's little tests indicate that dry battery MnO2 isn't really dry, and heating in the microwave without solvent to even out heating produces hot spots that rapidly cause the A/p-aminphenol to burn with a strange smelling and very persistant odor, ning doesn't want to use their procedure.

Sr.L, want to know ning's reference? Chemistry of organic compounds, by Carl R. Noller, published by saunders, 1951.
It has a most unique stream-of-consciousness-oh-let-me-see-what-compound-shall-we-talk-about-next style ning has never before seen in a chem book.
Here is a little quote in the quinone section:

"quinones are formed also by the oxidation of aminophenols and diamines, because the intermediate quinonimines are hydrolyzed rapidly in aqueous solution. [AND THEY SHOW p-AMINOPHENOL TURNING INTO QUINONE] Quinone is a generic term for the above class of compounds but frequently is used as a specific name for p-benzoquinone. The name quinoyl was assigned to this compound when it was first obtained by the oxidation of quinic acid extracted from cinchona bark. Berzelius later changed the name to quinone. it is prepared commercially by the oxidation of aniline with manganese dioxide and sulfuric acid
[They show the reaction]
Quinone is a bright yellow solid with a sharp odor. Its reactions are those of a,b-unsaturated ketones, involving 1,4 addition, rather than those of aromatic compounds. If the intial product can rearrange to an aromatic compound a substituted hydroquinone results.
[HERE THEY SHOW HCl ADDING TO MAKE CHLOROHYDROQUINONE]"

This is all one unedited passage. So ning isn't really smart at all, ning just has a good book. :P  Sr. L, are you satisfied yet? :)

Rhodium

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Synthesis of Acetylacetone
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2003, 07:28:00 AM »

pericles

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Excellent!
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2003, 06:59:00 PM »
It would be wonderful to see this verified. I'd be thrilled to see an OTC preperation of quinone. Keep up the good work!

ning

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Lego:
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2003, 09:27:00 AM »
thanks for the ideas. The "a la rhodium" refers to something rhodium posted in that other thread on acetaminophen, just to reflux in NaOH or H2SO4. Ning decided H2SO4 because it fit with the oxidation part better.


Update:

Ning did a little test run, following ning's proposed procedure, except 100mL water was used instead, and no heat was used. Hydrolysis didn't seem to change anything, but soon after the dried battery crap was added, the solution turned orange-brown and made a very strange, unpleasant smell. It was left to sit overnight and then ~100mL xylene was added. The water wasn't basified, as it seems bases will make quinone water soluble (although whether NaHCO3 will is questionable). The mixture was shaken like a red-headed stepchild and left to settle. the xylene layer turned a wonderful bright shade of YELLOW. *flips to merck index* Says yellow crystals here. Hmmm...
Here is where the disasters started.
First, as ning had read that batteries contain other crap than MnO2, (like carbon), and that MnO2 has water with it (MnO2 * ?H20), ning worried that maybe there wasn't enough in there (Yield-greedy bastard wanted something stellar to post at *The Hive*). So more was added. Through the xylene layer. Suddenly, a huge emulsion formed. Seems the xylene coated the powder(?)--battery gunk isn't exactly soluble in water, but for some reason you can...suspend it in water--it moves when pushed with water, you can wash it out of glassware, etc. With xylene, you can't--it just ignores it completely. So the crap coated everything in the beaker. Fine, thought ning, and went to bed.
Next morning, naked to the underwear, ning tried to filter the shit through a buchner to remove most of the gunk. Stupidly, the gunk was poured into the funnel first, before attaching the vaccuum hose to the flask. While attaching the hose, ning slipped and in a flash, everything was covered with carbon powder, manganese, xylene, and dilute sulfuric acid. Howling and cursing, ning wiped up the gunk off books, desk, glassware, and almost nude body. The remaining sludge was filtered as fast as possible and stashed in a flask.
Then the second stupidity happened. Ning took the glassware into the shower. Hoping some warm soapy water could clean off both of them together (they spend so much other time together after all), ning washed the flasks. Only problem was, it seems the battery gunk likes sticking to bathtub plastic (let it be a lesson to ye!), and the action of showering tracked it everywhere. The rank smell of xylene was everywhere.
So finally, after drying, ning had to use some precursor (Bar keeper's friend works well, actually) to clean other precursor (ugh, it's so black) off the communal facilities. Scrub, Scrub, Scrub. And this was with an exam in just 5 minutes.

To cut a long story short, everything was more or less cleaned up, ning's room still smells of solvents, (and ning used xylene because it was less volatile....:-< just imagine if it was ether :-O)
But this story may have a happy end. Still much yellow oil remains, in a flask to separate. With most of the black gunk filtered out, it seems the emulsion has gone away, and ning can use the sep. funnel to take off the rest.

So, after the laughter dies down, ning has some questions to ask the HIVE at LARGE:

1. Why is ning such an idiot? (never mind)
2. What is the formula of battery gunk? More specifically, how much carbon shit is in there? Perhaps it could be calculated by measuring its resistance?
3. What is the water attached to MnO2? Anybee know?
4. What conditions are necesary to add HCl/HBr to the quinone? Heat? Time? Just contact?
Ning knows it is possible, but as usual, conditions were not specified.
Ning thinks to shake the xylene oil with Aqueous HCl, which should cause the stuff to come out into the water as chlorohydroquinone. should be easy enough to test--add, shake, oil goes clear, water turns...some color.

Ideas, bees?

ning

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Interesting link
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2003, 11:40:00 AM »

chloro-p-benzoquinone from chloro-p-aminophenol

(http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/orgsyn/prepContent.asp?prep=cv4p0148)

Interesting, to say the least. Gotta give it to OrgSyn, they always got SOMETHING cool hidden in there.

ning

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Route revised to eliminate chloroacetone
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2003, 02:45:00 PM »
Mind you, ning doesn't mind dealing with potent war gas lachrymators, but ning does mind poor yields and difficult procedures. Apparently once acetone is chlorinated, it becomes easier to chlorinate, sort of like friedel-crafts alkylation on benzene (which is probably why rhodiums benzene->p2p synth has low yields)---it just wants to keep going and going....

So, though ning did not want to, ning did, and fell back to the allyl chloride route. This way, however, ning has a paper describing EXCELLENT yields of allylation, Even of benzene. When it comes in, rhodium might want to add it to the site.

Anyway, here is the revised (short version) of acetaminophen-->DOB/DOC, version 3

Step 1: allylate acetaminophen. Shouldn't need a catalyst, that mama is ACTIVATED! Use K2CO3 to scrub HCl to prevent it from reacting with allyl. Unless we want that.

Step 2: hydrolyze allyl to a P2P-ol sort of thing (pictures would really help here...). This stage will also probably remove the acetyl group from the amino, just in time for...

Step 3: oxidize with MnO2. This will convert the ring to a quinone, AND the alcohol to a ketone, simultaneously. Yay.

Step 4: shake w/ mineral acid of your choice. DOC/DOB-P2P. Yes, it will add across properly, ning has checked up on that.

Step 5: do what beez do best with ketones...

This one seems much better. The only part ning is shaky on is the hydrolysis of the allyl to an alcohol. Rhodium wouldn't happen to have anything on that, would he? It does seem vaguely related to MDMA or any of those goodies made from plant-extracted funny essential oils.

If that works, this bad boy just went all-otc.

yellium

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>If that works, this bad boy just went...
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2003, 12:34:00 AM »

>If that works, this bad boy just went all-otc.


How do you get your allylating compound?

hypo

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allylating compound?
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2003, 06:19:00 AM »
simple: glycerol + P + I2 --> allyliodie


Antoncho

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Details, PLEASE?
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2003, 08:02:00 AM »
Antoncho would dearly like to take a look at those article on allylating (BTW, UTFSE - there's been posted quite an amount of interesting material on this issue on the Hive) and, most importantly, more details on that Hcl addition to the quinone.

If a chem textbook says the rxn happens, it doesn't mean that the yield is acceptable and/or that the reaction is generally practically feasible.

As for the rest of your synth - well, once you begin to practically experiment with your synthetic routes, you'll get a much clearer picture of how the theory relates to practice - that'll change a lot in your views on 'optimal' pathways, i promise ;)

But this quinone-to-chloroHQ trick definitely deserves attention, IMHO.




Antoncho

ning

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Hmm..
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2003, 01:11:00 PM »
hypo: read rhodium's page. The RP + I trick is cool, I admit, but ning would like to avoid RP+I for other reasons, namely, it's hot as hell. And if there was an easy source for RP, other bees would be all over it. And perhaps glycerin+oxalic acid-->allyl alcohol+HCl (I know, I was surprised too)-->allyl chloride route is easier than scraping matchbooks and subliming tincture. If there is a lack of info on that part, ning will be sure to post the papers on making of allyl alcohol.

Antocho, ning was going to post that paper 3 days ago, but there was some posting error that wouldn't work. Ning tries again now. Look in "nings papers" thread...let's see if the second is less redundant than the first! :)

ning

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Antocho...
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2003, 01:47:00 PM »
Ning does, in fact, have papers discussing this. It does happen in high yield because quinone is rather an "unhappy" compound, which would like to get its resonance back. So when a nice HCl comes along, it gets added very quickly, taking the double bond off one O and letting the thing change back into a proper aromatic. Further, since the aromatic now has no "free slots", it will not add any more HCl.

Even better, when its a alkylquinone, the HCl adds, for some reason, the Cl (or Br, etc.) always adds PARA to the alkyl substituent. Which is just what we want, for DOC/DOB/2C-X, etc...
alternately, toluquinone+HBr, acetone enolate, DOM-P2P!
it's a great way of sticking halogens on a ring in a controlled way, in nearly quantitative yield, with no gasses!
Other interesting points:
- Cl2/Br2 will dichlorinate/dibrominate quinone to dichlorohydroquinone. Usually para to eachother, if ning remembers correctly.
How about I2? Heh! Who knows?

- You can get the halogen meta to the alkyl substituent (2,5-dihydroxy 3-halo phenyl....)if you use ZnCl2 or some such thing. Ning has a paper where they did both. So there is quite some flexibility here. Oxidize aspirin to catechol, and then even more becomes possible.

And by the way, ning doesn't know if all the bees know, but alcohols can be added to quinones too, just like HX, HOblahblah will add blahblahO-hydroquinone. Only thing is, apparently in that case the quinone is stronger than the hydroquinone, so it will re-oxidize it to a quinone. Perhaps the way around this is to dribble slowly the quinone into a large excess of the alcohol that is well stirred, like an acid dilution, so the chances of the quinone meeting hydroquinone are small.
Quinones are really magic!
That's why ning says quinones are the future!

Ning is proud of the alkylation step. Ning likes the new route better, although ning would still like the simplicity of the chloroacetone method. Using the amino group to activate the ring and make the alkylation easier before throwing it away seemed like a cool idea to ning at the time.


Also, there is the simultaneous oxidation of the aminophenol to quinone and the alcohol to ketone. Ning is proud of that one. More proud if it actually comes to ning in a dream of course. But then, ning is not the only dreamer here, right?
Some people's imaginations are no doubt much better equipped than ning's.

So, with toluquinone and X2/HX, we can get...

2,5-dihydroxy 3-halotoluene
2,5-dihydroxy 4-halotoluene

with quinone we can get

2-halohydroquinone
2,6-dihalohydroquinone
2,5-dihalohydroquinone

Ning has no idea what catechol could become.

Ning will post the papers of interest or their references ASAP. Ning really did think that the HCl addition was common knowledge. Is it really not in the textbooks?

ning

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Re: HX addition to quinones
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2003, 11:23:00 AM »
Antocho & others: Just looked in the chem books...the HCl addition to quinone can be seen in:

Vollhardt & Schore 3rd, pp. 1010
Norman & Coxon Principles of Org. Synth. 3rd, pp. 607

Look for the synthesis of "Chloranil", it is 2,3,5,6 tetrachloroquinone. It is made by mixing quinone with HCl and perchloric acid. The HCl adds and changes it to hydroquinone, the perchloric acid oxidizes it back to quinone, the HCl adds, .... until there's no more slots left. Interesting :->

Sad that McMurry, etc. didn't have it. Well they suck. The aforementioned old "properties of organic compounds" book of course had all of that in black and white, but ning is learning to expect that from that funny old book.

Here's some papers with more hard data to chew on:

J. Chem. Soc. Perkin II, 1983, pg.271
"The Kinetics and Mechanisms of Additions to Olefinic Substances. Part 16. Addition of Halogens to 1,4-Benzoquinone and to 1,4-Napthoquinone, and Dehydrohalogenation of the Resulting Adducts"

They talk about mechanism, and adding Cl2, Br2 and ClBr to quinones. Ning can't quite understand all the mechanism talk, but maybe other interested bees can.

J. Chem. Soc 1959 pg.3254 "Muscarufin. Part II. 2-(4-Carboxybuta-1,3-dienyl)-1,4-benzoquinones"

The shit! They exactly take a alkyl 2,5 benzoquinone and convert it to 4-chloro-2,5-dihydroxy alkene with HCl.
--SNIP--
On treatment with hydrogen chloride in chloroform, 2-(4-carboxybuta-1,3-dienyl)-1,4-benzoquinone gave 2-(4-carboxybuta-1,3-dienyl)-5-chloroquinol, identical with the product of the Elbs oxidation of 5-(4-chloro-2-hydroxyphenyl)-2,4-pentadienoic acid.
--SNIP--
(iii)2-(4-carboxybuta-1,3-dienyl)-1,4-benzoquinone (1.2 g.) was suspended in chloroform and hydrogen chloride was bubbled through the mixture for 5 min. After 10 hr. the precipitated 5-(4-chloro-2-hydroxyphenyl)-penta-2,4-dienoic acid was filtered off, and recrystallized from acetic acid to give yellow needles (1.05 g.), m.p. and mixed m.p. 254 C. Oxidation with ferric chloride, (another trick, folks!) as described previously, gave the quinone as orange needles (0.57 g.)(from alcohol), m.p. 188 C.
--SNIP--

This is almost exactly what ning needs for the DOC/DOB synth. Ning is willing to bet most of yield loss was in recrystallization, too. And that aqueous (or methanolic) HCl can do the job as well or better than that nasty bubbled stuff. But anyway, on to the next item, please...

J. Chem. Soc. 1952, pg. 755 "Acylation Reactions Catalyzed by Strong Acids. Part VI. A Comparison of Zinc Chloride and Perchloric Acid as Catalysts for the Thielle Acetylation of Quinones."
Here they are concerned with attaching acetic anhydride with quinones, but they show how zinc chloride can attach meta to an alkyl, while HCl will attach para to it. Great pic on page 756!

--SNIP--
4-chlorotolu-2:5-quinol m.p. 175 C has been prepared by the addition of hydrogen chloride to (II)(--tolu-2:5-quinone) (Schniier, Ber., 1887, 20, 2285; Clark, J. Amer. Chem. Soc., 1892, 14, 574; Raiford, Amer. Chem, J., 1911, 46, 450)(--ning intents to chase these refs) and its constitution was established by Raiford.
--SNIP (blah blah blah)--
4-chlorotolu-2:5-quinol-
Dry hydrogen chloride was passed slowly into a solution of toluquinone (0.1 g.-mol) in chloroform (100cc) at room temperature (water cooling) (--ooh, it's exothermic) for 1 hour during which solid material separated. After the mixture had been kept for a further hour the solid (--chlorotoluquinol) was filtered off and crystallized first from benzene-ethyl acetate(5:1), then from chloroform-ethyl acetate, giving colorless prisms (0.08g-mol); m.p. 175 C

--SNIP--

So, till those refs are chased down, here's what ning can glean from these papers:

1. the addition is a room temperature, exothermic process
2. it is high yielding (did they just say 80% after two recrystallizations?)
3. it should be dry (damn! we shall see about that...)
4. it adds para to alkyl substituents exclusively or almost exclusively.
5. it is fast. 5 min --> 1 hr, and these are probably not optimized conditions at all.

So there we have it. The elusive ning has provided a little more support for the crackpot DOB from acetaminophen path, and I know all you bees have other secret desires these refs will prove useful for. Have fun!

ning

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Another step covered
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2003, 02:36:00 PM »
Ning doesn't know what the buzz at the hive is about making phenyl-2-propanols from allyl compounds, but as it is an important step in the revised acetaminophen synth, ning found some old papers with some information on just that.

Theoretically, it should be easy--just hydrate the allyl, and there's your alcohol. The literature gives two general ways to do this--the first involves concentrated sulphuric acid at high temperatures to actually sulphonate the allyl, followed by hydrolysis; the second is a simple acid (or base?) catalyzed addition done cold (0-10 degrees).
While ning's books have info on this (a reversible reaction, by the way), ning isn't near the books, so these papers will have to do:

J.Chem.Soc(?), 1935, pg 684 (questionable, sorry)
"Influence of Poles and Polar Linkings on Tautomerism in the Simple Three-carbon System. Part III. Experiments with Benzyl-deltaa- and deltab-propenylsulphones."

They allylate benzyl sulphinate with allyl bromide, then change the allyl to an alcohol. Here:

--SNIP--
The substances were unchanged when boiled with water, methyl alcohol, or pyridine. The addition of alkali hydroxide or alkoxide was rapid and led to the formation of b-substituted propylsulphones:


R=Ph,Me    L=H or Alkyl
R.SO2.CH2.CH=CH2  or R.SO2.CH=CH.CH3 + NaOL ---> R.SO2.CH2.CH(OL).CH3



(ning assumes they didn't use alkoxide with water, of cours :->)

When, by using suitable concentrations of alkali hydroxide or alkoxide, addition was incomplete, no unsaturated sulphone other than the initial compound was found. The formation of a b-substituted addition compound from either of the sulphones did not appear to follow an isomeric change, since each of them yielded the same benzyl-b-iodopropylsulphone when boiled with concentrated hydriodic acid. (--ning thinks, yeah, sure...) Analogous cases of addition are provided by divinylsulphone, which when treated with sodium hydroxide, yields bb'-dihydroxydiethylsulphone (Kretov, J. Russ. Phys. Chem. Soc., 1930, 62, 1; compare also Cashmore, J., 1923, 123, 738), and by a and b-napthyl-deltab-propenylsulphones, which yield the corresponding b-hydroxy-derivatives (Troegar and Artmann; J. pr. Chem., 1896, 53, 484).
--SNIP--(blah blah they can be hydrolyzed apart blah blah)
Action of sodium carbonate solution:
(i) When either of the unsaturated sulphones was boiled under reflux with ?N-sodium carbonate (they left it out!) for 2 hours, a mixture of hydroxy and unchanged sulphone was obtained. Neither the other isomeride nor benzylmethylsulphone could be detected.
(ii) In order to discover whether there was any difference in the rates of conversion of the unsaturated sulphones into the hydroxy-sulphone, each of the former (0.5g) was boiled under reflux with 0.1N-sodium carbonate (25 cc) for 40 minutes. The product, extracted and dried (CaCl2) in chloroform and recovered, had m.p. 84.0 C (for delta-b) corresponding to a 76% conversion, and 86.5 C (for delta-a) corresponding to 81% conversion.

--SNIP--

well, there is a whole bunch of crap about how NaOH hydrolyzes the sulphones apart, but ning thinks to just ignore that for now. Interestingly, Na2CO3 works to hydrate the allyl--there could be something of interest here for the E people? More gentle conditions? Ning also bets that if they kept boiling for another 20 minutes, yield would be almost quantitative.

Next up:
ummm....gotta start writing those journal titles ON THE PAPERS...uhhh...lets say its..
JACS 1934, vol 56, pg.1968
"Synthesis of 5-b-Hydroxypropylbarbituric Acids"
Hey, the wheel turns around, from drugs to other drugs...cool, huh?

--SNIP--
The resistance of the ring in 5,5-ethylisopropylbarbituric acid to the action of sulphuric acid in the cold, prompted the author to study the effect of this reagent on 5,5-alkyl allyl substituted barbituric acids in order to introduce a hydroxyl group in the side chain.
  The particular allyl compounds studied were 5,5-allylisopropyl and 5,5-allylisobutylbarbituric acids.
  The addition of sulfuric acid to the allyl group takes place very rapidly and smoothly. It has been assumed that the addition of sulfuric acid follows Markownikoff's rule. This method would appear to be applicable to any 5,5-allylalkylbarbituric acid.
  The hydroxy compound (I) obtained from 5,5-allylisopropylbarbituric acid was benzoylated to yield the product (II).
  In order to show that the benzoyl group was introduced in the side chain, compound (II) was allylated in the 1,3 positions according to the method described in british patent 391,741. (--anyone know what this is??)

Experimental part:

Prep. of 5-isopropyl-5-(B-hydroxypropyl)-barbituric acid (I)
50 g of 5,5-allylisopropylbarbituric acid was added slowly with stirring to 100 cc of sulfuric acid (sp.grav. 1.84) and allowed to stand at room temperature for 8 hours. The solution was poured with constant stirring over 500 g of ice. The precipitate was then filtered and washed with cold water until the filtrate was neutral to congo paper. The product was recrystallized from alcohol. It is soluble in ethyl and methyl alcohols, but it is insoluble in water, ether, chloroform, acetone, or ethyl acetate; m.p. 221-222 C (uncorr.) yield 95%

Prep. of 5-isobutyl-5-(b-hydroxypropyl)-barbituric acid:
Repeated above procedure using 14 g. of 5,5-allylisobutylbarbituric acid, 50 cc of sulfuric acid, and 250 g of ice. The product is soluble in ethyl and methyl alcohols, but it is insoluble in water, ether, chloroform, acetone, or ethyl acetate; m.p. 216-217 C; yield 95%

Cold concentrated sulfuric acid has no action on 5,5-ethylisopropylbarbituric acid.

(AND, the allylation part...)

Diallylation of (II) - 11.1 grams of (II) was treated with 8.1 g of allyl bromide in the presence of finely divided copper and 10% sodium hydroxide according to the method described in british patent 391,741. The product obtained was a very heavy oil which was purified by vacuum distillation, b.p.(25mm) 260 C.

Summary: two 5-alkyl-5-b-hydroxypropylbarbituric acids have been prepared from the corresponding 5-alkyl-5-allylbarbituric acids by addition of sulfuric acid at the double bond and subsequent hydrolysis.

Well, how about that? The yields are nothing to sneeze at, although the conditions seem a *little* rough for some compounds. Luckily, ning's synth needs a soak in sulfuric acid anyway, so perhaps this step and the following MnO2 oxidation could be done in one pot. Ning certainly hopes yields would be as good in the real world.

J. Chem. Soc 1947, pg. 124
"The sulphonation of some derivatives of eugenol"

believe it or not, they were trying to get antibacterial behavior out of these. Wonder if they ever ate any themselves and decided not to report it?

--SNIP--
Treatment of eugenol with concentrated sulphuric acid at 0 C gave largely sulphonated polymers. When O-methyleugenol, however, was sulphonated by stirring with sulphuric acid at 0 C and the sulphonic acids were extracted with water, an amorphous mass was left, from which a 5% yield of the sulfone was isolated.

Hmm...not good. There's your answer for the whole E thing...suphonated polymers. But anyway, ning will try to find more refs on the whole direct hydration thing, while remarking that the indirect (sulphonate->hydrolyze) method, while harsh, seems to give not-too-shabby yields for tougher rings. Also, note that the barbituric acid should have had some steric effects from the other attached alkyl group. Perhaps 4 hours is more than enough for a single allyl group?

So anyway, one pot would be like this, eh?

To 40 mL cold sulfuric acid with stirring is added 10 grams of 2-amino-5-hydroxy-phenyl-2-propene. The mixture is allowed to stand for 4 hours, then is added slowly to 100 mL cold water and stirred for 1 hour. 40 grams of MnO2 (washed battery gunk) are then added, and the mixture heated to 60 C and stirred for 2 hours. The mixture is then cooled and extracted with nonpolar solvent (toluene).
? grams of p-benzoquinone-propan-2-one.

The toluene extract is placed in a beaker with 30 ml aqueous HCl/HBr and stirred at room temp. for 2 hours, then 100ml water is added, the solution basified with Na2CO3 and the toluene removed.

? grams 2,5 dihydroxy 4-chloro/bromo phenyl-2-propanone

The solution with water is boiled dry and 20 g dimethyl oxalate is added. Flask is fitted with reflux condensor/stink pipe and temperature is increased to 150 degrees. After 4 hours the mixture is allowed to cool to 50 degrees and toluene added. After cooling is complete, the toluene is removed and evaporated.

? grams 2,5 dimethoxy 4-halo-phenyl-2-propanone.

So there's your ketone. Whatcha gonna do with it?

Naturally, all the aforementioned was a mere seat of the pants guess, but hey, who knows? The road seems wide open.