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Title: Isobutanol
Post by: demorol on September 13, 2001, 11:30:00 AM: I have found 2.5 L flask of Isobutanol at a local hardware store. Now I'm wondering if it can be used as a substitute for Isopropanol (IPA).
Give me some chemicals and I'll give you pleasure
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: Rhodium on September 13, 2001, 11:47:00 AM: For what purpose? Isobutanol would be more of a hassle to work with than IPA.
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: demorol on September 15, 2001, 12:46:00 AM: For MDMA synthesis of course.
Give me some chemicals and I'll give you pleasure
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: Rhodium on September 18, 2001, 04:43:00 AM: As a solvent in the Al/Hg? For the crystallization step? I don't think it would be a good substitute, but it may work. Due to its higher boiling point it will be harder to remove, and it smells disagreeable too.
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: terbium on September 18, 2001, 11:29:00 PM: and it smells disagreeable too.

Disagreeable? And I thought you said that you liked to smell and taste your chemicals. When the wife and I go to the local home improvement megastore I let her go look at the live plants while I get off sniffing the pesticides.
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: Rhodium on September 19, 2001, 12:04:00 AM: I like to smell new chemicals to know what "feeling" they have (for lack of a better word), but with some smelling them once is more than enough.
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: cilliersb on September 19, 2001, 01:53:00 AM: Here's what to do with Isobutanol:

Isobutanol is the preferred solvent in a very simple fairly OTC method for making none other than Mexamine.
- Go to your health store and buy some Melatonin caps, enough for about 1g melatonin.
- Get some sodium dithionite from your local chem supplier.
- Chuck togerther, reflux a bit, workup and viola!! Mexamine

Now proceed to smoke 10mg of the freebase and get blasted to machine elf city.

Look on Rhodium's site for the Mexamine synth, it works and is fairly simple to perform considering it's a tryptamine you're making.
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: Rhodium on September 19, 2001, 02:44:00 AM: Is mexamine psychoactive? Are you mistaking Mexamine (5-methoxytryptamine) for 5-MeO-DMT (N,N-dimethyl-5-methoxytryptamine)?
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: cilliersb on September 19, 2001, 05:15:00 AM: Oops

Sorry about that chief. I believe it is 5-MeO-Tryptamine :-[

Yes Rhodium, it is active only when smoked or used with MAO inhibitors. Cood ol' Harmiline.

It is however not quite like DMT, you're more likely to fall asleep than freak out. The 5-MeO-Trypt can be turned into 5-MeO-DMT with MeI and some PTC in DCM right?
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: Rhodium on September 19, 2001, 05:44:00 AM: Read more about that dimethylation in
Post 208020 (https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php?topic=12930.msg20802000#msg20802000)
(Lilienthal: "You can't dimethylate tryptamines with MeI or DMS", Tryptamine Chemistry). I would advise you to use NaBH3CN reductive amination instead:
https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/dmtsyn.txt (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/dmtsyn.txt)
(bottom of file).
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: cilliersb on September 19, 2001, 06:00:00 AM: Thanks Rhod

you think I can get away with substituting borohydride for cyano borohydride?
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: demorol on September 19, 2001, 06:03:00 AM: I found IPA very chep now, so I think I will use it rather than Isobutanol. Thanks Rhodium anyway.
Give me some chemicals and I'll give you pleasure.
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: Rhodium on September 20, 2001, 03:35:00 AM: I think cyanoborohydride is needed here, but feel free to prove me wrong, it would be nice if regular borohydride would work.
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: cilliersb on September 20, 2001, 04:38:00 AM: Oh well, I'll probably do Borohydride one day when I feel lucky ..... and rich mind you. :P

Is Cyano borohydride a lot more suspicious to get? I don't want to piss my supplier off by asking for things I can't have.
Title: Re: Isobutanol
Post by: Rhodium on September 20, 2001, 08:07:00 AM: NaBH3CN is more suspicious than NaBH4, because NaBH4 has a broader range of uses, while NaBH3CN is almost exclusively used in reductive aminations (which are popular in clandestine chemistry as you know).
Title: NaBH3CN purchase
Post by: DrBumpz on February 05, 2003, 01:39:00 AM: I don't believe NaBH3CN is a death wish to purchase. It ain't gone the way of Red Phosphorus just yet. Of course be safe, don't get it sent to home address!