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The Hive => Chemistry Discourse => Topic started by: malvaxman on August 29, 2001, 03:37:00 PM

Title: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: malvaxman on August 29, 2001, 03:37:00 PM
Here are some interesting compounds which would be easy to turn to psykoactive compounds:

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/yadontsay/index.html (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/yadontsay/index.html)



Is it possible to remove the methoxy groups of apiole or myrstine without harming the rest of the molocule, and get safrole?
Has anyone yet tried to brominate eugenol and then aminate or methylaminate it? Would this compound be psykoactive?
I don´t think it´s writen anything about it i Phikaal...
If you take some ESTRAGOLE or CHAVICOL and take away the methoxygroup/hydroxy group you will get allylbenzen which could easy ge turned to Amphetamine or Meth!
What yeld is to be expected in a BOMB amination ,are there any survivors here to tell me about it  ..? ;D
Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: terbium on August 29, 2001, 08:22:00 PM
Is it possible to remove the methoxy groups of apiole or myrstine without harming the rest of the molocule, and get safrole?
No. You can remove the methyl group to get a phenol but there is no way to get rid of the oxygen.

Has anyone yet tried to brominate eugenol and then aminate or methylaminate it? Would this compound be psykoactive?
The free phenol should make this inactive.
 
I don´t think it´s writen anything about it i Phikaal...
If you take some ESTRAGOLE or CHAVICOL and take away the methoxygroup/hydroxy group you will get allylbenzen which could easy ge turned to Amphetamine or Meth!

Again, there is no way to get rid of the hydroxy.
Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: Osmium on August 29, 2001, 09:20:00 PM
Well, there ARE ways, but they are very involved, sometimes low-yielding, producing the wrong product, use strange, expensive or difficult to get chems, unsuitable reaction conditions for most bees, and so on.
One example is using potassium metal, I've seen an olivetol (THC precursor) synthesis where potassium ripped a MeO right off the benzene ring. But I don't know how general this reaction is.
Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: obituary on August 29, 2001, 10:33:00 PM
how many distinctively different olivetol synths are there? (by general methods)
Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: Rhodium on August 30, 2001, 04:21:00 AM
Osmium: I believe that reaction only works for methoxies situated between two other methoxy groups according to the work of Ugo Azzena.

Obituary: For a collection of olivetol syntheses, look in

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/psychedelicchemistry.txt (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/psychedelicchemistry.txt)

and also in

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/thc/index.html (https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/thc/index.html)

Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: foxy2 on August 30, 2001, 05:06:00 AM
Obit
I have an interesting paper on synthing olivetol and other beginnings to THC analogs, tho it cannot produce some of the most interesting branched compounds to make the superduper THC.  I am almost certain the methodology is different from any of those in the THC review on Rhodium page. 
I post it when I have time.
I wish there was an easy way to pull text out of PDF files.

Foxy

Do Your Part To Win The War
Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: wandering101 on August 31, 2001, 06:24:00 AM
From "Ya don't say": (Looks strange to see SWIM instead of Strike....)

MYRISTICIN: The grandaddy of the pshychedelic amphetamine genre (by the way, SWIM does not consider X to be a psychedelic). This sucker is in carrots, sassafras oil, in about 8% in nutmeg oil and (hold on to your hats) about 90% of the oil in ordinary parsley leaves. Yes, that same shit on your dinner plate.

OK, so (yes, I remember the whole thread on apiole) would anyone care to tell me what percentage (pref. by weight) of parsley leaves the oil is? Great if it's mostly oil, otherwise not.

Same thing for dill seed / parsley SEED oil - how much of a seed is OIL? I imagine there's a lot of plant matter in there...
Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: obituary on August 31, 2001, 01:22:00 PM
actually parsley leaves and especially the seeds should both be high in oils- besides as cheap as parsley is (esp. if you tend a garden) how can you complain?!?!
Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: naturalblonde on September 01, 2001, 12:27:00 PM
> I wish there was an easy way to pull text out of PDF files.

Get some good OCR software. I like OmniPage v11. It will take scanner input, GIFs, even PDF and plonk out raw text.

Many of the warez sites/newsgroups will have OmniPage.


Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: Osmium on September 01, 2001, 05:29:00 PM
Let google do it for you. They reference and display even PDF files as regular text.
Title: Re: Safrole from dill or persilia.
Post by: CherrieBaby on September 20, 2001, 12:02:00 PM
Acrobat distiller - I think - saves to .RTF & text format but again - get it from a warez site.

OCR - download FineReader 5 from their site then get the crack on the net. It has a very large selection of languages - useful when OCRing foreign language texts - which can then be put into babelfish!!
Title: Parsley leaf extraction
Post by: Peaktime on January 28, 2003, 03:00:00 PM
is it true the parsley leaf oil contains about 90% myristin??
Does anyone knows a good way to extract the oil from the leaf??
Title: Unfortunately not that much
Post by: Rhodium on January 28, 2003, 04:36:00 PM
The essential oil in the parsley fruits might sometimes reach such a high myristicin content, but the leaves contain much less, about 20-30% or so.

More information:

http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=myristicin%20parsley (http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=myristicin%20parsley)



Title: German parsley seed oil contains a lot of...
Post by: PolytheneSam on January 28, 2003, 05:36:00 PM
German parsley seed oil contains a lot of myristicin according to a reference I have.