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The Hive => Chemistry Discourse => Topic started by: psyloxy on May 06, 2004, 05:11:00 PM

Title: the tosylation article you've all been waiting for
Post by: psyloxy on May 06, 2004, 05:11:00 PM
TsOH + MeOH + Fe3+-montmorillonite ___DCE___> TsOMe ; 80°C, 3h, yield: 82%

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--psyloxy--
toluenesulphonate tosylate tosylation tosic ester
Title: Tosylates for what?
Post by: Aurelius on May 07, 2004, 06:24:00 AM
I remember a bunch of posts a while back concerning this, but am too lazy to look it up right now.

Title: For SHAME!
Post by: ning on May 07, 2004, 07:15:00 AM
Hmmm, I wonder too...what could a safe-to-handle, efficient, {kind of OTC} methylating agent bee good for? Hmmm.....

I guess nothing, unless one is in the habit of methylating syringaldehyde or hydroquinones...

Good find psyloxy!

(I wonder what the trick is?)

Title: I just love how they are economical with the clay
Post by: ning on May 07, 2004, 06:16:00 PM
with that 80 g or whatever of catalyst, I wonder how much mescaline could bee made? ::)

psyloxy, I know you thought it was a bad idea, but I want to repeat here for all the bees that naphthalene can be sulfonated to produce "napsic" naphthalenesulfonic acid, which I bet could be substituted for tosic acid. IIRC, producing tosic acid requires either high temperatures or oleum. If there is interest, I can look it up again.

Too bad they need a 10 x excess of methanol. Probably it could bee recovered and reused.

I wonder if PTC could accelerate this reaction?

Well done! And here ning was going to make a methyl chloride generator!

Title: let me prove you wrong
Post by: psyloxy on May 07, 2004, 07:25:00 PM
10 times excess ? They used 4 equiv. of MeOH, which isn't even necessary as demonstrated by the reactions with higher alcohols: if one equivalent is used yield is only a few percent less.

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Title: all right!
Post by: ning on May 08, 2004, 06:02:00 PM
You have been busy....I stand corrected.
If only halfapint were with us now....

Title: TsOH is no big deal
Post by: Nicodem on May 09, 2004, 10:01:00 PM
producing tosic acid requires either high temperatures or oleum

I made some TsOH from 35% sulphuric acid by first concentrating it as much as possible by the ordinary method (boiling off water under vacuum) and then following the procedure as described in Organikum (reflux with a Dean-Stark trap).
Actually there is much more work to purify the product than to make it. Needles to say that the xylenesulphonic acid is even less demanding while equaly useful. It can't get more OTC than it already is.