Has anyone here yet used black pepper to make MDMA on at least a medium scale? With which result?
Is sassafras-oil possible to buy OTC in South-East Asia,
where should i look then?
Thank you for your answers.
I don't know of anyone trying out black pepper as a MDMA precursor in reality yet, but the theoretical details can be found at my page.
Sassafras oil is available from several asian vendors, name the country and I'll give you a few hints in a PM.
do u mean the piperonal to mdma route? pepper is cheapo cheapo... good luck.
Of COURSE we don't know what we're doing! That's why it's called research! (boom...) :)
Piperine (found in black pepper) can be oxidized to piperonal (3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde), which can be converted to MDMA.
obit knows a bee who has reported success all the way throught the amination. small scale though- ~2g final product. but it does work!
Doesn't black pepper contain a small amount of safrole as well? Like 0.6 - 1.0%? The synths I have seen always extract the piperine and convert it to piperonal. The one I am looking at right now got 1 gram of piperonal from 100g of black pepper, and it took a lot of time and effort. But if pepper really has a 0.6%-1.0% safrole content, they could have gotten almost a gram of safrole from the same 100g of black pepper, presumably with less time and trouble.
Any thoughts on this?
Is there a detailed writeup of this pepper -> piperonal available, other than the one by "The Cook" on my page?
The one by "the cook" is the only one I have seen any details about. I have seen a usenet thread that had that same write-up as well as some responses about succeful and failed attempts. Apparently, over oxidation was the main mistake made in the attempts. I'll see if I have that whole thread saved somewhere so I can post it for everyone.
report that obit received yeilded around 3-5g piperonal/ 100g pepper- obit thinks that isn't too bad. not anything to get excited about, but what the heck.
my results were very similar! around 4grams of piperonal in relation to 100grams of pepper.It is a good source especially after several rxns a nite!
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Hey Cheese- obit was referring to you. duh.
ooooppps! how embarrising!hehe oh well secrets out now, i'll have to do a write up for the bees (god i hate write ups i always fuck up on them then get flamed to shite)
On my next run down i will write up all i dreamed then post it in the newbee section okie cokie!obit you will get first crack at the write up so u can look over it!oh and u 2 rhodium or who ever is the moderator on this forum! :-[
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Okay, so I guess that clears it up - but I have a related question (assuming the department of agriculture is correct about the safrole content). If I extract the pirerine with ethanol, is there safrole in my extract as well? Or would the safrole need to be gotten at by a diffrent method?
pirerine?
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is safrole soluble in ethanol?- then that's your answer.
yes, piperine - it is the alkaloid in black pepper that piperonal is allegedly derived from. The methods I have seen take the route:
Pepper -> Piperine -> Piperic Acid -> Piperonal
But I am every bit as a interested in the safrole. No one has had experience extracting safrole from black pepper?
Allegedly it IS soluble in ethanol. However, that method of extraction doesn't seemed to be used when extracting safrole from sassafras root bark - all the literature seems to recommend steam distillation.
sorry i though you called it pirerine earlier on! never done the pepper synth for saffrole so i can't hlp on that score.
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oh oops - you are right - I did. Sorry for the typo.
thats cool like i said watch out for my write up in the newbee section or do u all want it in here? ::)
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doesn't really matter were you place it, but it would be best if you placed it in it's own, new thread.
Well, I am a newbie, so don't listen to me - but it seems we don't have detailed method anywhere that gives nearly the yield you are getting. So I think it might be appropriate to post it in a new thread in either this forum or the "Novel Discourse" forum. Wherever you end up posting it, it'll be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance :)
and god spoke and thus was done! i will, like i said obit u will get first crack for your undivided attention to detail, then a moderator then after clearance i will post it okay?
is this okay for everyone concerned?
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cheesie, no prob. send it whenever you finish the next round and obit'll get the ball rolling on the editing. hey cheesie, do obit one favor though- make it a big batch. so you can have a good weekend!
i'll try with the funds available, currently on several dreams at the moment which are draining funds, BUT i will do a fairly big one just for you!
just give me some time okie cokie.
now wheres that meth gone.............*mwah* ;)
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I am having trouble finding any sort of reference for piperic acid to piperonyl.
It would be nice to have a more selective oxidation from piperic acid.
I can't find this
Fittig and Mielch, Ann., 152 (1869) 25)
Could some one else get these:
J. Am. Chem. Soc. 94, 4024 (1972);
J. Org. Chem. 43, 1532 (1978)
How about these other routes to the aldehyde:
chromyl trichloroacetate: Liebigs Ann. Chem. 659, 20 (1962)
t-butyl iodoxybenzene: Tetr. Lett. 26, 4955 (1985)
KMnO4 in THF-H2O: J. Org. Chem. 51, 3213 (1986)
NaIO4-OsO4: J. Org. Chem. 21, 478 (1956)
Synthesis 1984, p 431-3
J. Chem Research - Synopses 1986, p 458-9
Dimethyl polyethylene glycol - see J. Org. Chem. 43, p 1532, (1978).
obit'll try and find some of those and get back with you
hi munky!if u get them can u pm them to me as well?
*mwah* ur a star! :-[
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Hell, if i lived in SE Asia, I'd be finding an MDP-2-P source, fuck the safrole! um, PM ME!
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