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Title: wetdreams.ws
Post by: overunity33 on December 11, 2015, 08:23:59 AM
Where did the site go? Is it down or just moved? Anyone have the new url?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Vesp on December 11, 2015, 09:09:25 AM
It's now the collective  but they shut down registration as far as I know
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Moolybdenum on December 11, 2015, 10:54:57 PM
no it's still around, search for wetdreams revolutions..

Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Necrogram on December 11, 2015, 10:58:39 PM
wdrestored.com

Boom!

It is the-collective.ws
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Moolybdenum on December 11, 2015, 11:10:07 PM
woah, i thought the collective was still seperate....?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Necrogram on December 11, 2015, 11:50:11 PM
Using duck duck go (search engine).

When searching: the collective wet dreams

The result comes up as: the collective/wet dreams
With the url as: the-collective.ws
😉
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: twoswords on December 12, 2015, 04:01:27 AM
wetdreams revolutions is at
wdrestored.com

The pirated wetdreams is
the-collective.ws
Registration is closed at the-collective
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: The Lone Stranger on December 12, 2015, 07:07:23 PM
http://www.the-collective.ws/



We're back!!!

Come join us at the new site by selecting the link below!

Enter now and join the-collective!




Please login below or register an account with The Collective.


Bad Behavior has blocked 40 access attempts in the last 7 days.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: anfinsen on December 30, 2015, 08:34:22 PM
Any way I could register? I might be able to share some knowlege.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: java on December 31, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
http://the-collective.ws/forum/index.php

http://www.wdrestored.com/forums/index.php


.......there are now two from the original WD, which after some disagreements the two forums were created, neither one is a pirated forum, lets make that clear, single administrators are never a good thing for any forum .....the administrator has his own biases and the forum reflects it, that's why a group of administrators are important to to have the co-op reflected in the philosophy of the forum, besides it's too much work for one person, but it now seems both parties have buried the hatchet and perhaps something good will happen with the new year.....java
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Milkman213 on December 31, 2015, 07:23:11 PM
Any way I could register? I might be able to share some knowlege.

I've been trying everyday for a month or two with no luck.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Hanswurst on June 23, 2017, 01:24:03 PM
So whats the status here?
I would love to have more input in the form of other sites to become an expert about PEAs.
As some of you might have noticed, I'm in the process of proving myself worthy and will finish recent projects in the upcoming months when I finally have the time.

Who can throw me a bone, help me gain access, vouch for that trust is well invested in my person?
What are the places the scene gathers at, or has the end if the Hive made this largely impossible?

Feel free to PM, if you consider the information sensitive.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: embezzler on June 30, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
There is no secret, registration is open at the-collective.ws though the archive is not yet available due to technical issues.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: atara on July 01, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
It's slow as dogshit though. Is it hidden through TOR now or something?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: embezzler on July 02, 2017, 06:11:55 AM
I guess it is the same issue that prevents the archive being made available. I don't believe it is hosted on tor.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Corrosive Joeseph on July 02, 2017, 06:15:47 AM
Is it hidden through TOR now or something?

Oh.......... I never even thought of that but I don't think so. Unfortunately, things are very dead there............
I signed up at the same time I registered here, but the vespiary is FAR more active

Request for ANY site mirrors/back-ups/saved web pages of  the collective, thezonez, wetdreams, wetdreams/collective off-shoots etc., etc.............?

Please and thanks............... I feel like I have missed out somehow and I'm sure there is some fantastic reading to be had.


/CJ

[EDIT] - Oh, embezzler posted while I was writing this............ 'The same issue'...........? 'Technical reasons'............?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Hanswurst on July 03, 2017, 03:48:08 PM
Can't access with two different devices,  it always says I need to activate the account to log in and when I try to, it says I need to log in to visit this page.

But if its dead im not interested anyway. Just cant wrap my head around the thought that this is all there is supposed to be, regarding online community. Are people really keeping everything they try and make progress in, to themselves?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: spice on July 04, 2017, 11:40:07 PM
Yes pretty much. At this point all they have to do is wait for real info to surface and then it's pretty simple, analytically, to pinch it. They've done it time and again, and that's a horse that has been beat over and over.
I can't believe that after twenty years of internet drug forums that there really is much left hidden. When you couple that with a hundred years of O-chem publications and references it would seem most of the initial mission of places such as hive etc has been fulfilled.

I believe the golden age is over.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: mrhappy on July 05, 2017, 01:13:39 AM
Can't access with two different devices,  it always says I need to activate the account to log in and when I try to, it says I need to log in to visit this page.

But if its dead im not interested anyway. Just cant wrap my head around the thought that this is all there is supposed to be, regarding online community. Are people really keeping everything they try and make progress in, to themselves?

This kind of research is very obscure and we are the only ones in the world looking at drug analogs and how to build up precursors from things as close to OTC  as possible.. It's not rocket science, but what is harder?, launching something into low earth orbit or building your own nuclear reactor ala' Enrico Fermi in your own basement?. Most of the people I associate with slowly come to realize that consumerism does not truly satisfy, we are meant to use nature around us to better our own lives and help our friends and family.

Drugs, food, medicine, anything you have that runs out or ends up being thrown away is something you got by paying money for it. Very few people grow and eat their own food, even fewer (almost none) make their own medicines, grow herbal teas, make their own alcohol instead of going to a bar or liquor store. Chemistry is very anti globalism and when we get anywhere near the good chemicals for legitimate research they BAN IT ALL. I suppose this has had the result of forcing us down this path of super secrecy and looking at things nobody has ever thought of before simply because we want to be left alone to follow our dreams, some of us since childhood.

People that only care about drugs/explosives/poisons for whatever reason are an even smaller minority than anyone on a forum like this interested in serious research. The unknown is an easy scapegoat to create fear and panic.

I feel like we are "chosen". I can't even explain how I really found this place, im sure I would have eventually, I've seen the link on reddit before but I made an account here after reading a post on the 420chan chemistry board. I have been blessed to have spoken with such legends like Tramp, RIP who helped me make the connection from crank cooking to serious real chemistry, God bless his soul. I hope one day I can be as useful as that man.

Chemistry is now a passion for me, far beyond drugs I look at every chemical and piece of literature I can find.. when you first start its like "mercury salts? wtf is this I just want to get rich and make drugs" now I use my knowledge in the professional world to make real money because I know a lot about things like shipping expensive, regulated goods and all the proper laws associated with it all.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Corrosive Joeseph on July 05, 2017, 06:23:17 PM
Just cant wrap my head around the thought that this is all there is supposed to be, regarding online community.

Are people really keeping everything they try and make progress in, to themselves?

Yup, this is it. Shocking, isn't it...........? Out of 200 million drug users on the planet, we have about 30 or 40 active posters.

I don't think anyone tries to make progress in anything outside of this board.

We are a SMALL community of researchers and what is happening here takes work, dedication and persistence.
Qualities that most people lack in this age of instant gratification and social media distraction.

If somebody wants to make a shit-ton of something, there are already many proven ways and they can source all they want from the Far East.

Organized crime has taken over and the masses are just too lazy, afraid or stupid to do anything about it.

I do wonder where everyone is though. We had our 5,000th member the other day.
There was over 5,000 members at the Hive.

That's 10,000 FUCKING BEES.........!!! WTF.......!!! Where did they all go...........??

And that's not including the many, many home chemists over at SM and other forums over the years.

And I'm sure there are a few more who don't frequent the internet or have had their methods passed on to them by someone else and never had to change the route they use.

Yup............. I can't get my head around it either


/CJ







Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: atara on July 10, 2017, 10:47:49 PM
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Yup, this is it. Shocking, isn't it...........? Out of 200 million drug users on the planet, we have about 30 or 40 active posters.

There are other such fora. However, most of them are well-hidden. The last time I heard from no1uno, he said he was moving all of his activity to the cryptonet. Just think of how you ever ended up here anyway. And the vespiary is not exactly advertised, although I think we are on /r/drugnerds (which certainly wasn't my idea but I've accepted it)

I'm here because of totse. Other people came from somewhere else. For example, posters at psychonaut tried to monopolize discussion of helional for a while. SomethingAwful used to have chemistry in The Crackhead Clubhouse when the mods weren't looking. Maybe they still do.

I think if you want to find other chemistry forums, you should start in the messageboards that grow up around Silk Road's successor markets.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Vesp on July 11, 2017, 05:23:17 AM
Are there many darknet clandestine forums? I've seen a few but they've been fleeting and not particularly active.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: thinkgeek on July 16, 2017, 01:03:26 AM
ive been working on one as we speak.. if anyone knows how to get a forum onto the TOR domain i would like some assistance in that area.
ive got most of it setup and will work the bugs out as we go.. anyone interested in participating helping or participating is welcomed.
i do9nt want to take anything away from here by anymeans. but maybe it will draw some bees out that are afraid to post on clearnet forums.   i could see why someone with an endeavering charge would not want to post here .. who knows . send me a message if you have any info.  i had talked to a member or 2 here that was interested in this and would have covered the hosting costs.  i know next to nothing about tor network as far as implementing a site goes.
i hope all are well .
namaste
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: RegularOldGuy on July 16, 2017, 01:22:40 AM
Shouldn't be anything special for a Tor domain, its more most of the time you just configure the virtual host and it will accept any hostname and won't verify anything. Theres probably some additional steps to ensure IP doesn't leak, possibly using something like ModSecurity and having it sanitize anything being served.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: thinkgeek on July 16, 2017, 03:15:30 AM
you have already talked over my head.. while i kind of understand what your saying and what it does.. i would have no idea where to start.  if you think you are interested feel free to pm me about it. even if you werent the one to configure maybe you could ask the right querstions to the right person?  at one time i found a guy claiming to host it and would help me with the setting it up for around 40 usd a month.

dunno how trustworthy a person off the dn is but 40 usd is crazy cheap.

Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: thinkgeek on July 16, 2017, 03:23:01 AM
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Yup, this is it. Shocking, isn't it...........? Out of 200 million drug users on the planet, we have about 30 or 40 active posters.

There are other such fora. However, most of them are well-hidden. The last time I heard from no1uno, he said he was moving all of his activity to the cryptonet. Just think of how you ever ended up here anyway. And the vespiary is not exactly advertised, although I think we are on /r/drugnerds (which certainly wasn't my idea but I've accepted it)

I'm here because of totse. Other people came from somewhere else. For example, posters at psychonaut tried to monopolize discussion of helional for a while. SomethingAwful used to have chemistry in The Crackhead Clubhouse when the mods weren't looking. Maybe they still do.

I think if you want to find other chemistry forums, you should start in the messageboards that grow up around Silk Road's successor markets.

ive been on the dnms and other forums that arent market connected, and there is nothing that i have stumbled upon..
there is a market-forum called the majestic garden which has some nuggets about mdma and  lsd but they limit their discussion to rave type drugs and do not condone the use of meth, ketamine, 4mmc, for wahtever reason..

Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: The Lone Stranger on August 16, 2017, 07:02:44 PM
>We had our 5,000th member the other day. There was over 5,000 members at the Hive. That's 10,000 FUCKING BEES.........!!! WTF.......!!! Where did they all go...........??

1 - 5000  two times is still 5000
2 . Thats accounts not members . It is / was common for people to have several accounts
3 - Thats over how many years ?
4 - That was in the days before anyone could buy anything through the internet cheeply . Who needs underground chemists now ?
5 - Because of that theres no money in it anymore .
6 - Drug deaths / deaths
7 - Some have scrambled their brains with drugs
8 - Maybe some were kidnaped by aliens ?

>And I'm sure there are a few more who don't frequent the internet

Maybe thats why they arent here ?


Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: magnu3 on February 11, 2018, 04:48:52 AM
So the collective is gone now or have they moved ?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: jacolives on February 11, 2018, 05:21:05 AM
To use? Wow that's amusing i was a moderator on To use over 10 years ago. More like 15 years ago...
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Vesp on February 11, 2018, 06:26:35 AM
To use? Whats that?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: embezzler on February 11, 2018, 01:40:04 PM
Totse temple of the spinning electron

Old site for making meth but it was mostly nonsense
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: mrhappy on February 11, 2018, 06:34:08 PM
There are still forums with the same people as totse , zoklet out there, easy to find on Google.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Impossible on February 11, 2018, 08:35:20 PM
thecollective, wetdreams, wdreloaded, thezonez, psychonaught(their chem subforum) all no longer operating.  :(

Only forums aside from here I keep tabs on is blacklight.

Whats that restricted synthesis board on drug-forums like?  Is it worth the effort going through the application process?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on February 16, 2018, 10:48:12 PM
I miss seeing all the (offensive crap deleted)on the hive.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: java on May 27, 2018, 06:52:26 PM
.....i just herd of WARE passing away!!! does anybody know the circumstances ....its sad news also our last hope of having the old zonez data base as well as the WD evolution .....java
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: dopamine on May 28, 2018, 03:28:08 AM
Omg thats terrible  ??? this is the first im hearing of it.    unbelievable :(
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Tamerlane on June 24, 2018, 07:14:00 PM
thecollective, wetdreams, wdreloaded, thezonez, psychonaught(their chem subforum) all no longer operating.  :(

Only forums aside from here I keep tabs on is blacklight.

Whats that restricted synthesis board on drug-forums like?  Is it worth the effort going through the application process?

Where is Blacklight? Ppl have mentioned it and it sounds intredasting.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: carl on June 24, 2018, 09:49:16 PM
It was blacklight.me, but it seems to be gone.
Google search won't do anything for it, since it is not google indexed, it has no robots.txt(unlike our board).
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: RegularOldGuy on June 25, 2018, 01:52:05 PM
It was blacklight.me, but it seems to be gone.
Google search won't do anything for it, since it is not google indexed, it has no robots.txt(unlike our board).

Its actually the robots.txt which prevents them from indexing it, without one it will navigate the site and traverse the various links to find stuff. The robots.txt is checked prior to this and can give a roadmap of what urls it should check and which it should avoid. This file is honored by every major search engine.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on June 25, 2018, 11:36:59 PM
blue light!
https://www.pressherald.com/2018/06/24/retailers-experiment-with-blue-lights-to-deter-drug-use/
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Impossible on June 28, 2018, 02:11:10 AM
It was blacklight.me, but it seems to be gone.
Google search won't do anything for it, since it is not google indexed, it has no robots.txt(unlike our board).

Yeah there was a thread started some time last year by an admin where they basically said "hey this place is pretty dead, we don't know if we wanna keep it running"
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on June 29, 2018, 02:31:39 PM
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Obviously ignorant of the fact that one FEELS for a vein (especially Tsath's, he really feels for them after some of what they have been through...not the best in the world, unfortunately.) rather than just looks, or looks to get a general idea of optimal areas and then locates it by feel. Shit, when Tsath' was using a lot (a big lot, at the time, very big), of MXE, 3-OH-PCP, 3-MeO-PCP, 4-MeO-PCP, methoxphenidine and diphenidine, he could and did do it in the dark, whilst just emerging from a hole.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sIxJA_1530023080

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=H7ZR_1530134779


Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: java on June 30, 2018, 03:33:45 PM
........good old sam, racing his engine again......java
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Tsathoggua on June 30, 2018, 05:52:17 PM
Did blacklight release any archives? it will be a huge loss if they did not.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on June 30, 2018, 08:30:41 PM
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........good old sam, racing his engine again......java

snitch
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: NeonCortex on October 05, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
Blacklight archives not entirely lost. We're looking at how to process the archive.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: LucidOne on October 06, 2018, 01:48:50 PM
Blacklight archives not entirely lost. We're looking at how to process the archive.

i viewed some director of sound notes via way back engine of some now gone board.

and to my perspective  vespiary was shut down and just archives for a while. so in my mind it was gone.. its sort of crazy to be getting back into things, and this place is here again.. it seems like theres some people around so ive come out to try to learn what I can.. Ive wondered for some time if there are side communities with people sharing more notes on things ive attempted in the past.. I figured there was places out there just no clue how to find them.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: The Lone Stranger on October 12, 2018, 03:24:24 PM
Blasphemy for beginers ---- >

At swollen egos ...... meth abuse ......and ...... ' Dallas ' ---- >


1 - Did i understand right ? ---- >

There was a web site called wet dreams ...... it went down ...... then another follower web site apeared run by a mister A and a mister W .

They fell out and mister W ' Left ' . Mr. A said mr.W left and mr . W said he was somehow cheated .

Then there was an ice age with accusations .

Then mr. A poped off and mr. W announced himself to be mr A's best friend and that he would save the web site .

He didnt .

Then mr . W kicked the bucket .

The result being that 5 ? important web sites / web site copys are gone because swollen egos wouldnt share = ......... They wouldnt share OUR information ...... the information that the whole scene had suplied ...... and wanted to use it to become rich and famous ...... the new Strike ?

1A - Did anyone try to throw some cash at the ISP = pay the bills so that it could continue ? ........ and maybe so a copy could be made ?

1B - What about both peoples familys ? The news got out that both had died that means that someone somewhere must have contact to their relatives ? = Contact them and talk about continueing their legacy / lifes work ?


2 - Same subject ...... different web site ...... Maybe crap ---- >

A nice gentelman finaly stood up and released a copy of the hive ...... then the scene dug out its copys and the nice gentelman added them to his private copy on erowid ...... saying beam me a mail if you want a copy ....... and doesnt reply to ( my ) emails ? ...... and doesnt allow people to copy OUR copy of the hive ?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: embezzler on October 18, 2018, 08:29:56 PM
The biggest loss isn't the information. It is the people collected together no longer having a place to bee.

Loss of websites is a valid concern. Not sure what the answer is as there is no suitable escrow and making a full archive available leads to duplicates online and splitting the membership.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: The Lone Stranger on October 21, 2018, 01:35:17 PM
>making a full archive available leads to duplicates online and splitting the membership.

For me the first point is irelevant . If a person wants to know there are sites like this with sensible people who wouldnt acept missinformation ?

And ...... split the mebership ? ....... To where ? To wich credible web sites ?



Not at you ...... at overlying issue ...... We as a comunity need to talk about this complex . Its a big recuring theme here = We could be more popular if ....... better chemists dont come here because ......... better chemists would come here if ........ we need more disiplin ...... better chemists dont post because of the general intelligence level and ability of some of the people here ....... we need a cull :)

Are there realy better chemists that lurk but dont post because ? ...... Maybe they dont post because the people that complain are right ? = The general level of education , intelligence , ability ...... and morals and ethics here are to low for them ? = Includeing the people that continualy complain :) ...... maybe they dont like people that blame others for their percieved lack of sucsess / credibility / karma points ?




Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: rumpled on October 21, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
I have not posted here before, because I do not care to litter your forum with the nothingness that I am qualified to add. The account I use is silent, for purposes of reading and learning. On the original Hive, I posted occasionally, asking only what I believed to be reasonable questions, and answering those few I was qualified to. Hive had a vibe, an atmosphere that seemed to promote goodness and fair play over individual ego. People thrived in that, as I am sure that many of you remember. Hive sprang off a.d.c. to provide a more streamlined, moderated environment for learning and sharing, and it accomplished this goal. It was not that Hive management was better than here though, it was because The Hive was needed at the time. It was the right thing for the late 90s and early oughts. Comparing The Vespiary to The Hive is in some ways like comparing Woodstock to the Us Festival - not in terms of quality of music or the people, but just the social environment at the time. The world was right for Woodstock in 1969, not so much in 1982.

TheVespiary has a lot of the same great qualities as Hive. There are tolerant, knowledgeable people who love chemistry as much or more than its end result. There is a pretty good signal to noise ratio. The mods keep it clean, but it never feels heavy handed or Draconian. You have done some good things in terms of keeping things clean, like making a single yellow porchlight thread for pill extraction questions. I do not think that recruiting new chemists is necessary, or even possible. People who want to be here will find the way.

Obviously, a lot has changed with time. Shitty, tweaky cartel dope being available with a to any dipshit capable of running TBB has lowered the bar. I think that cheaply available Helional has made MDA, often masqueraded as MDMA, equally easy to get with a point and a click. Even opiates and cannabinoids are available, often on clearnet RC sites with just a Visa or Mastercard. The thought of doing it yourself is a profanity to many these days. "Why reinvent the wheel?" they might ask. The fact that they don't know underlines our society's addiction to consumerism and disposable living.

This is the era of Trump, when science is subjective, and religion and conspiracy theories are consensus reality. I am not and have never been suicidal, but I have cried lakes over this. But this too shall pass.

I created this account specifically to add to this thread, and now that I have, I don't even know what exactly it was supposed to accomplish. Just please don't change, and don't give up. You are all doing the right thing. The only problem here is that so damned few are.

Back into silent obscurity I go. Bee safe and strong, friends 93/93.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on October 21, 2018, 09:14:51 PM
http://www.climatedepot.com/
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on October 21, 2018, 09:17:02 PM
http://www.theamericanright.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?69-Global-Warming
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: rumpled on October 21, 2018, 11:13:33 PM
Thanks mate, I think we all need occasional comic relief.

Want to see something even wackier? Check out:

https://www.foxnews.com

Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: warte on October 22, 2018, 04:18:05 AM
Another bee who spent the last half a decade walking a different path. Came back to look for wetdreams and the old posters, so little to be found online at this point. It truly makes me wonder about the fates of all those from the days. Was very sad to learn about tramp. One of his last posts here had a pdf grab from wetdreams, made swim realize how much was lost with that archive. Really hope someone has a copy or a giant zip file somewhere.

Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: The Lone Stranger on October 22, 2018, 03:55:53 PM
I should have said why i said what i said ---- >

In the scientific circles i dont mix in we try to be neutral and objective and start at A and work through B and then C and on ......following thought chains as far as we can ....... trying to understand , optimise and explain ....... in ways that other people can understand ...... and if we cant explain it either we dont understand it or we're trying to explain something to someone who hasnt got the mental capacity to understand .

I've had conversations with small kids about atoms , molecules , viren ...... sensible conversations .

The thought chain i'm looking at at the moment started for me when i came back here after a long pause because i got sick of some peoples arogance , ignorance and bias .

There were 31 pages of unread posts . I read through all those that could interest me .

After a short while i noticed recuring themes and trends ...... for instance problems caused by greed , ignorance and eliteism ...... for example lost archives

And repeat threads where the same small group of hive old age pensioner iluminati liveing in the past that refuse to acept reality and that things change moan and whine about other people . Blame them for their own percieved lack of sucsess ....... instead of growing old with dignity .

Repeated calls for more ' disiplin ' so that legendary non existant wonder chemists might come and spoon feed them . Then intrieges and acusations that the legendary wonder chemists dont come here because other people are subferior .

People not being able to understand that underground chemistry is dieing . The peak is over . They refuse to acept simple self evident truthes like ........ Next to noone is interested anymore because they can get what they want through the net  . 

I say that and get shot at by wounded egos that think that they can own and control knowledge in their own interests . Did we ever look at history and think about the places where people thought that they could own knowledge ...... and dictate truthes ? It didnt work . Evil-ution Vs thought police = Evil-ution wins every time .

Knowledge must flow freely . Noone owns it . Its OURS . To do with what we want . Freedom of information allows people that might be able to help / show new ideas to do it . To take what others have done and cant improve on and carry it on . Add to it ......for us all .......for the knowledge pool .

Strange that when we watch ....... Hamiltons pharmacopeia ...... ' A clandestine chemists tale ' ...... one of the hive iluminatis heros Mr Gill says exactly what i said but non of the hive iluminati lonely hearts old age pensioners social club here dissed him .

Maybe the wonder chemists dont come here because of the way new members often get treated ? Maybe new members get pissed off when they come here and have to authenticate themselves to get on the site ...... and then again when they want to post ...... and then again when they want to edit their post . WTF ! :) What a brain dead idea . Psycho pseudo security .

Maybe they get pissed off when they post and see that moderators abuse them and their threads to shoot at people trying to help ?

The word moderator comes from moderate ...... to be moderate ...... to ensure moderation = That things stay within acepted limits of the comunity ...... IT doesnt come from moderator as in show master = egoisticly forcing animals through hoops for their own benefit .

The word community ...... CO ....... with eachother ...... together ...... positive ...... co-operation ...... inclusion and not exclusion .

The hive was ' cool ' ...... Its dead . Its gone and it wont come back . It died for good reason . Intrieges . Eliteism . User groups that tried to control and stear it ....... and a total ignorance of the criminal world . ( FUCK !!! ...... Just like here !!! :) )
 
Lower middle class strangers to life that ' thought ' that they could do what they want in a world that they hadnt got the slightest clue about .

You understand ? ...... When an ignorant chemistry moron comes here and talks shit you go nuts ? ...... They get shot at . .......... Then you understand what its like for me reading shit from idiots that have watched to much miami vice / z cars and get problems  ..... and cause other people problems ....... because they're trying to do things that they dont understand ....... Or force forums to walk behind them .


= Instead of blameing others , moaning and whineing ...... and thereby drag the forum down ...... do it better ....... if its broke ...... FIX IT ...... give and take ...... be moderate ........ tolerant and helpfull . Explain things .

The scene wont grow ........ the legendary wonder chemist wont come here ...... unless we train them ? ...... Chemists get older , die out and have to be replaced ........ That means we should help ...... and help others to get further than we got ......... Show them ways ? Inspire them ? ........... and not just preach , bully them , milk them and expect them to lick the arses of a few vain old men .


' Ask not what your forum can do for you ask what you can do for your forum ' . 

' John F. Kennedy’s inaugural address inspired children and adults to see the importance of civic action and public service. His historic words, “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,” challenged every American to contribute in some way to the public good. In this lesson, students learn about a theme in President Kennedy’s inaugural address, civic action, and consider how it applies to their own lives.

Essential Question: How does a leader inspire a nation or a group of people? '

With a whip ? ...... or by example ? By helping ? By doing the right thing ? Fairly and honestly without ego ?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: embezzler on October 22, 2018, 08:32:31 PM
The glory days of forums as a medium of communication are in the past. That can't be disputed. The hive also had it's problems but it was just a place to post. Times change and people change. Baba, for example, used to post useful information as Polythene Sam until he decided that acts perpetrated by members of another board well over a decade ago were justification to cease being productive and become a troll. Other members frequent other sites or communicate more in private.

I don't think anyone is expecting a wonder chemist to invent some new way of doing things. There are great chemists that post here. Their cumulative efforts and the efforts of the scientific community lead to breakthroughs. I don't know if we always do enough to support skilled members here. I have often thought a serious chemistry board would help if it were read only to the newbees but more serious members were able to post.

I don't think that underground chemistry will ever die. People may post less and the barrier to entry in terms of time invested against reward will shift and those that are content to order drugs off the darkweb rather than learn to make them will do so. That is the way of things and not necessarily a bad thing. Most of the problems come from people who think they are going to make it but aren't. This hobby attracts a lot of unsuitable initiates and hangers-on, some more resilient than others. It takes a lot of community effort to keep newbees and trolls from destroying a forum.

You TLS, come across as an agent provocateur. Seldom contributing but showing up every few months to sow dissent, complain and vaguely suggest how everyone else should do better and embrace some sort of anarchistic paradise that only a teenager would believe is possible and demanding access to information that is already available to you or could have been downloaded by you at any time in the past.

Well lets have it then. Since the moderators are not deleting anything, banning anyone and only 1 member was subjected to posting restrictions - what exactly do you suggest is done to improve?

Please refrain from the drugs before answering - The staff do take on board feedback but it is a pretty thankless job especially when life is going on outside of here.
 
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: warte on October 23, 2018, 05:23:16 AM
The point of contributing instead of waiting for others, is well taken. Swim has nothing to contribute right now, being retired, but in the far future might make good on it. If the board is still up.  ::)
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Hanswurst on October 23, 2018, 12:03:18 PM
Another bee who spent the last half a decade walking a different path. Came back to look for wetdreams and the old posters, so little to be found online at this point. It truly makes me wonder about the fates of all those from the days. Was very sad to learn about tramp. One of his last posts here had a pdf grab from wetdreams, made swim realize how much was lost with that archive. Really hope someone has a copy or a giant zip file somewhere.

Yes, what about that?

I never got to see it.

Is that PDF grab still available?

I'd pay the community back, no question.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: moppy on October 23, 2018, 07:36:12 PM
I have Tramp's posts/pdf somewhere - he gave them to me about the same time they were posted.  It will take a little while to find them, but I'll throw them up when I do.  He did fine work and I sorely miss the guy.

I hosted rhodium for a couple years when it went down in 2004-05 ish.  I would do the same for wetdreams and collective if I had the databases and permission (if there is any permission to give).  I've read the boards / ran a couple - for years, but tried to stay away from board drama... So the backstories of how/why they went down, is way beyond me.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: warte on October 24, 2018, 03:28:04 AM
Hanswurst, I was only referring to a single pdf. It's still online here, search for a thread called: Why must reflux take 30 hours

I would dearly appreciate a large collection of tramp's work!
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on October 25, 2018, 08:43:01 AM
tramp always wrote in a meth head bastard chemistry style.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: The Lone Stranger on October 25, 2018, 03:49:25 PM
>https://www.foxnews.com

LOL . Entertainment for morons disguised as news . But same same with CNN , BBC and euronews ........ where the ' news ' readers are reporting about the ' news ' in terms of facefuck posts ....... with world changeing themes like the penguin that died in montevideo zoo ...... people celebrating and cultivating ignorance for comercial and political reasons ...... = Idiocracy .



Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: The Lone Stranger on October 25, 2018, 03:50:37 PM
>what exactly do you suggest is done to improve?

Thank you :) ---- > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL_vHKENsbc
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: warte on October 26, 2018, 03:56:18 AM
@moppy... I'm counting on you to come through with those tramp posts... ;D 8)
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: moppy on October 27, 2018, 04:14:17 PM
@moppy... I'm counting on you to come through with those tramp posts... ;D 8)

I'm looking.  I have a stack of hard drives; it's on one of them.  I did find the original link Tramp gave me but, like him, the link is dead.  It's his stuff from 07 back.

http://www.4shared.com/rar/ZrJIEcxX/tramp_wetdreams_ws_everything.html
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: rumpled on October 27, 2018, 06:44:40 PM
>what exactly do you suggest is done to improve?

A thread about separating the Philosopher's Stone from Neosporin ointment using Alkahest extracted from Band Aid pads.

Really, just like embezzler said, forums have been dying a slow death for years. BBS gave way to Usenet. Web forums pushed Usenet into obscurity several decades ago. Now it is all about memes, "status updates" and 280 character idiotisms. Progress is often less a linear climb than it is a fractal mutation. Evolution is change due to circumstance, not growth for the sake of betterment. There is nothing wrong with The Vespiary or the members here that wasn't wrong with The Hive. It is just times changing and attention spans snapping short, while expectations and our sense of entitlement grows. Knowledge as a commodity is less relevant. Google knows all, applying all that information is somebody elses' problem.

"I never imagined a day when I would think to myself, 'it is beneath my dignity to respond to the President of the United States.'" Mark Kornblau, proving that sometimes 140 characters can say plenty about the times that we live in.

For The Hive:

"Johnny let his baby brother sleep
Through the back door and baseball
All the kids are waiting outside
Old days come and go too soon
Old friends, heroes, lifetimes
Don't let a single memory fade away"

https://youtu.be/fl0veIGoQsk
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: carl on October 27, 2018, 07:25:56 PM
And we have to consider the really huge impact that the easy access to whatever drug people wish to buy nowadays had for us.

Of course, partially that was the fault of the hive as a coincidence, since I read somewhere some bees made a business out of the production of certain exotic research chemicals, 2C-C was mentioned for example, and I would not be surprised if that includes many other exotic substances as well.
At least in the short time before the chinese took over this business completely, of course...

But regarding the option to purchase the usual illegal drugs over the internet, that is also of more importance for us and our hobby loosing popularity.
Back then, people who liked for example MDMA or meth, just came at some point to thinking how they could make these things just themselve instead, but now?
Before thoughts like this could come up, the next order was simply made, cheaper than it was ever too...
And given that ideas like "how do I make xxx?" for many people come up in times of having no access or having no cheap offer, this is much rarer in our present time.

Anyway, I am sure that will change some time, not long but we maybe have to endure a few years of some form of a draught.
We will get through this surely :)
As long as there are people who are, as lugh said, still covalent bound to chemistry and as a swarm together too, no problem in my opinion :)

Oh, there is also some group on reddit discussing our hobby, I have not really looked much into them, but at least a handful of people there seems to be also enthusiasts like us :)
We will never die out I am sure.
At worst, a "genetic bottleneck" for our knowledge... but I also think that won't happen, because that would take probably a few decades of no influx of newbees.
Edit: it is called "theehive", that group on reddit...
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: rumpled on October 27, 2018, 09:00:10 PM
Carl, I agree that, in a very real way, The Hive contributed to the demise of underground drug chemistry as a hobby. It did so by serving its stated purpose though, something the main contributors can be proud of. Obviously, that doesn't make information exchange about our revered topic obsolete, but it took a bite out of the hobby, for sure. At the very least, it eliminated those who were involved because of lack of availability, by exponentially increasing it.

TheeHive looks like it has some people who are interested, although chem-savvy participants are the exception rather than the rule. Still, it is hope that not all Apoidea have left the proverbial building. The fact that drugs are more easily available than ever makes it even cooler when someone wants to do it themselves. I don't even mind that so many of the posts look sudafed related. It is the DIY spirit that counts most, not the chemistry knowledge or scale. We all started somewhere, and most of us never planned to build a superlab, we just like to grow our own, whether it is from seed or from precursor.

But I do think the real heyday of clandestine chemistry has passed. It is just changing. The herd is slimming. Wide availability eliminated some, and competition cut out all but the most ardent capitalists. All that remain are the curious and the genuinely interested. And they are the best people anyway. And a few of the good ones probably started out trying to extract meth from Vicks inhalers based on a text file that was written before chirality was invented. It is on us to resist the urge to be shitty to that aspirant, and not scare them away or insult them back to the stone age.

In Redditspeak: "TLDR" There is always hope. The bee book is still being written. The fat lady has not sung. She is still waving glo sticks, and blowing up on the dance floor.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: blinky on November 12, 2018, 09:21:15 AM
Hi guys... I was at the hive a just a small amount of time, maybe a month or so. The majority of my time was on WD.
At the Hive was such pricks, that newbee like me was scared to post, they will flame me to death, and make me never post again.
That fear guided me through all 3 or 4 wd forums.... I read maybe 5-6 years before i had a single post... And thank God for it.

My mentor was Tramp... RIP crackwhore, you was something special.... My first post on WD was not how to do something, but i post a picture of extracted PSE,
and ask olderBees to look if it was clean [i run the burn test, little, pinch of discoloration]. The almighty Tramp said to me that if he was me, he will not hesitate to
run that pse.... I was with head over hills... I will remember that sentence to the day i die.

After that i had my first rxn success.... In summary i had maybe 10 rxns [LWR with rp/i2], more then half success other miss...

Before that, ONE man glued me to the screen of hive and wd.... His language was a bit strange, but i understand every word he writes... It was WAREAMISE...
My God, how i admire that man.... He was THE MOST HELPFULL bee there [along geezmaister]... The most funny guy with weird stories how he did rxns and extractions... Always positive and funny. In those first days Wareami and geezmaister was the only authority i will listen NO MATTER WHAT!

Along that first years, there was also Android and Dwarfer... Android was arguing with Ware that the short/dry was on par with LWR... Ware and geez dissagree...
Dwarfer had a also funny stories with his extractions and failures. But those 4 guys was a brains of whole community.

Fast forward, i made my first rxn, never traid MA before... Then i tried my product... MY GOD! That day was something special... i was hooked....
Then Tramp kill himself... What a fucking tragedy.... i was sad for days.... I can't believe it... but life goes on... RIP Tramp, my good friend and crazy crackwhore!
Then Android lost his battle with hep... I didn't knew him well, but i was not happy for it... Another legend died. Android RIP.
Then geezmeister decide to gave up the game... I don't know why, i don't know... He just flush all his glassware and tools down the river... Or so said it to me... I saw it one or two times on collective... He was maybe the SMARTEST of all at the community. If you read this, contact me man please...
The collective goes down, the Zonez are down, WD are dead community...
I was ready to revive the WD, with pictures and details [like a live] extraction and rxn. I asked Ware for help to attach PDF on WD... Ware answer me that he had spine surgery, the car hit him. He was ok, and said to me he will get back to me when he get out the hospital... That was last year...
He didnt reply, i sent him another message he didnt reply. Then WD goes down... Strange...

Now i am here and saw Java said wareamise, Ware and the kids, are dead................

I looked in my monitor and cryed.... silently cried for hours...... my wife was on one step to call the emergancy.... The english was not my native and she didnt understand what i read....

The man which humour was soooo attractive that i want to get in that community, which make some MA, and do what this positive guy do... Nevermind that i am not from US [former communist republic in europe], we dont have hardware stores and everything is restricted, even 96% EtOH... And i made it... Ware was guilt for my interest in making MA... God, what a guy... and he is not alive.... anymore.... fuck....

I decided that i will do the last LWR for the memory of WD.... I didnt made it 4-5 years, but i WILL do it. And i will ask all WD refugees to answer me one small thing. Do you remember the LT method from Ware? Just to ask you in the Tetra wash, are only tetra, or small portion around 10% of LT, which whom pse is extracted? Just that one detail i need. And i am good to go. I started gathering precursors. I will document here everything i did. From *ilss to MA. Picture and text.

p.s. Before Tramp died, he/she, gave me his documents to save it. I can zip it and post it here. Also i have some saved WD pages on hdd. i can zip and post it too.
I will ask everyone if someone have some saved pages of WD to do the same.

p.s.s. HOW WARE DIED?

Stay well.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on November 12, 2018, 02:18:29 PM
Red Phosphorus?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on November 12, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
Tramps favorite compound.
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?static=1&Cat=&Number=250631
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on November 12, 2018, 02:38:46 PM
Unob was always helpful.
https://tinyurl.com/yddkbsx6
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: carl on November 12, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
That is indelicate Baba...  :(
We know you did not like him, but try to leave such a rather low comments to yourself, please.

@blinky, please post his documents, they are really valuable.
I only have his mescaline extraction .pdf, and that was really something.

If you want to talk about pill extractions, I have to point to the pill extraction thread, here it is only allowed to discuss these thing there.
Here: https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php/topic,14705.0.html (https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php/topic,14705.0.html)
You can post your final reduction then, if you attach the corresponding document as file to your post, to supply it with the needed reference in that section, in "Drug Synthesis & Extraction".
Please not here in "News", as this section is as far as I know visible to guests.
Maybe put them in another thread in the same section as your reduction, since the documents in itself are the reference material?

Thank you for that offer to give us his documents, and good luck with your project.
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Baba_McKensey on November 12, 2018, 11:01:37 PM
Zambia's forgotten space program 1964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Do3dz9TR0
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: Vesp on November 13, 2018, 09:23:31 AM
Speaking of dead members, Neil Tomsheck died in a motorbike accident.

He probably wasn't the most prominent member, but he was a great friend (even best in regards to this stuff) to me since significantly before this site, 2005ish?

You guys probably know him as: Doucherman or ArmedElectronix or other things.  http://williestop.tripod.com/contact.html


Some news articles that mention him:

http://prev.dailyherald.com/story/?id=331330  (his arrest for being a "scientist")

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2008-02-06-0802050503-story.html (school age vandalism)

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/man-27-killed-in-motorcycle-crash-in-genoa/ (his death).


Out of all the people, I think I related to him and Naf1 the most. Loved talking to those guys, sad to see so many people go away through out the years.
I remember someone, think it was No1uno, made a comment like that years back and didn't really understand what it meant, but it seems to be ringing true.

Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: hamsterbob on November 13, 2018, 11:23:16 AM
Lycaeum.org archive anyone?
Title: Re: wetdreams.ws
Post by: dextromolecule on November 13, 2018, 11:47:43 AM
Zambia's forgotten space program 1964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Do3dz9TR0

 ;D ;D ;D ;D