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The Hive => Stimulants => Topic started by: LoRE on November 19, 2003, 07:09:00 PM

Title: speed rush
Post by: LoRE on November 19, 2003, 07:09:00 PM
what happened to speed that made you rush  i remember the first few times i tried speed i couldnt sit still for hours and you would clean your house twice over and still not be satisfied. about 3 years ago maybe longer this changed and the selling point of dealers changed from "this stuff is real rushy" to "this stuff is real clean with legs" now i dont know about everybody else but the last thing i want to do is stay awake for 3 days after smoking or ingesting 1 point.

i hate when ppl say its got legs (especially after you have taken it)

and it also seems that clean is another term for crap

im sure that my tolerence has not chaged all that much because in the last 10 years ive proberly only had it a max of 1 time a month.

so does different methods of production produce radicly different effects...

i know ive bought grams of cut a long time ago that have been better than the pure that is around today.

any one else notice this

Title: Swim has an aquintence that was used to ...
Post by: Un_Chambered on November 19, 2003, 08:04:00 PM
Swim has an aquintence that was used to getting dope(from swims brother :-[ )that "rushes" when slammed or smoked.Swic's bro's entire post rxn workup is to filter,base,extract with hot co****n's,filter once more,gas and rinse the filtercake w/acetone.He then lets this dry about 85-90% of the way and then weighs and packages   :o .
Swic's friend was so used to this "solvent flash" rush that he couldn't even appreciate swic's good clean MA for awhile cause he wasn't get his solvent fix ::) .This fool was so stuck on that feeling that after swim explained to him what that fucking "rush" was from he actually added a drop of acetone to swims product before using a few times  >:( .
And to think swic goes to all that time refluxing for 24hrs and all the trouble of a tedious yeild damaging workup to get the cleanest MA he can possibly get so some fool can add impurites to it before using ::) .
The product of a LWR definately has those "legs" you hate to hear about it also gives a rush if your body has the energy to produce one(haven't been binging,have eaten and slept well recenly).It also doesn't overly affect appetite,
and bonus!,no clench jaw muscles,undue paranoia or flasho vision :P .
Guess its a matter of preference but even if dirty dope was "better" swic would choose clean product every time.

Title: Crank rush
Post by: geezmeister on November 19, 2003, 10:04:00 PM
Clean meth has little if any rush when administered IV. Oh,you know you just got on the express elevator to high, allright, but rush? Not from meth. You want a junk rush, rather than clean dope, buy street crank. Dirty dope, particularly with salt in it, gives you a rush. You want rush? Cook hot, dry, fast, and don't recrystalize. It isn't meth that is giving you the rush, but if that is what you want, be my guest.

I'd rather skip the voices, the faces, and shooting sparks myself.

Title: ouch
Post by: greensleeves on November 20, 2003, 12:11:00 AM
Damn! This is making my head hurt. Do you mean to tell me if done right I won't end up in the looney bin again? Who'd a thunk it?

Title: Iodine
Post by: 8ball on November 20, 2003, 01:33:00 AM
Iodine can blow your head of if thats what your after, just keep an excess amount of it in your solution instead of burning it all out, but this can also create mega headaches if you dont get most of it out before bringing over to meth freebase.

Title: hey dont hate iodometh
Post by: Glacial_Refluxer on November 20, 2003, 02:03:00 AM
Its just like a nitrous high fallowed by a lsd trip.

Nobody round swim likes his wet reflux meth, they say "its
not fun like the yellow stuff" lol

Whats the point of walking around in a happy mood with a
limp dick organizing stuff if your not experiencing
audio/video halucinations and the fun mood?

Title: it's simple
Post by: Jacked on November 20, 2003, 06:17:00 AM
It's simple, its a salt rush you are remembering not Cancer causing solvents but salt. Take a pinch of crushed rock salt and add it to your gram of recrystallized dope and you will have your rush back safely without poison...
The filtering of product during recrystallizing when its dissolved in alcohol is ridding the gear of it's rush because that salt resides in the filter which is disguarded.

Title: Jacked is correct! As usual!
Post by: wareami on November 20, 2003, 03:47:00 PM
As were some others in this thread.
The salt is reminiscent of the Heatrush/puckered asshole dope from daze of old! This dope also more than likely was brought back to hcl using ether as NP which created a harsh rush not found in USP White or what was refered to in some circles as OilBase dope. We know that wasn't a good description, however it was a streetslang term.

There was also a strong association with the ether solvent extracted among slammers! That was the "Cough".
The solvent or the salt was not what provided that pleasurable indication that you did good as a buyer!
Ibee's recreated that cough with "Good As It Gets" WetDream produced goodz! Util that time Ibee thought the cuts and work-up was what provided that effect!

Title: Legs and rushing? wtf...
Post by: ahgreich on November 21, 2003, 07:25:00 AM
swuddk thought that 'legs' were the long lines present in the crystalized product - evapping an aqueous hcl extract from the organic phase results in these 'legs' in ahgreich's experience. No rush has ever been experienced by ahgreich with MA - only an incredible awareness after 30 seconds or so that one is incredibly wound and looking for something to accomplish! eyes forward dead on target, thou wilt not cease until the battle is WON!
Once, when ahgreich was but a lad, a Rush was experienced when taking a hit of crack. That, my droogies, is the platonic ideal of a rush.
Title: Well said
Post by: geezmeister on November 21, 2003, 10:16:00 AM
Well said, Aghreich. This comports with my experience also, although I must admit the rush was there until I learned to do the reaction with enough water, at a low enough temperature, and for a long enough time, to reduce most all the intermediates to meth. The "Sudden awareness" you describe is what I suggest by my "knowing you are on an express elevator to too high.."

Injecting methamphetamine made in hot, dry, fast reactions did provide a rush, but also often provided sparks, voices, paranoia, visual disturbances, oily sweats, and jaw clenching. I gladly trade the rush for the absence of the latter.

Title: take for what its worth!
Post by: imaphatbastard on November 21, 2003, 05:55:00 PM
Is bad as this is gonna sound im gonna tell ya.As long as your scoring from the streets the lingo you may hear is just the nature of the beast.As far as street dope goes everybody thinks there dope kicks ass(ya right msm)everybody says there dope has legs(stands for endurance).Real meth isnt a super intense rush via ephedrine reductions anyway.On Jan 1 2000 Swifb vowed to never spend another one of his hard earned $s on street dope.He then learned how to dream and let me say life has been good since then.Peace out

Title: what gives off the smell is it just unlclean...
Post by: LoRE on November 23, 2003, 01:19:00 PM
what gives  off the smell is it just unlclean or should clean meth smell

because swim has had no luck in getting a nice smell he can only get a very faint smell and after recrystalization there is no smell at all
Title: Merck
Post by: Jacked on November 23, 2003, 01:33:00 PM
The Merck describes meth as a white orderless crystal or something to that effect. I have found a slite medicine  like smell with large quantiles of recrystallized product but don't think its from the meth itself..
 If the smell you are referring to is a stinky dirty feet type smell it is a combination of RP that is so Finely divided it passes through your filter and decomposing E from uncompleted reactions that has left the molecule damaged, That's my thoughts on the stinky meth people use to go crazy over..I have no data to back that up.

Title: Yes to the Salt
Post by: ici_rhi on November 23, 2003, 10:12:00 PM
Salt is definitely the speed rush you speak of..Having no need to purchase anything off the streets for some time, I dedided to add a grain or so of epsoms salt to a hit of very clean MA. Only the "sudden awareness" is present in most everything I ingest, but I have had the unpleasurable hit or two of impurity ridden street "crank". Sure enough, tho it was never doubted, the familiar sensation of a flash or "rush" of heat throughout the body was evident.

So if you are aching for a "crank heat rush" stick a grain of epsoms or rock salt in there and be thankful you are ingesting clean dope...

Title: bullshit
Post by: Alexander_Monday on November 26, 2003, 09:50:00 AM
I think you're all full of shit. When good meth is taken IV
you get a rush, it's what keeps us coming back to the needle.
Title: And I think
Post by: geezmeister on November 26, 2003, 09:59:00 AM
And I think Alexander_Monday has just given us conclusive evidence that he has yet to make truly clean meth. But then we all have our opinions, don't we?

Title: Yeah, you're right
Post by: Alexander_Monday on November 27, 2003, 02:12:00 AM
Title: flame me if im stupid but i cant tell if that...
Post by: LoRE on November 28, 2003, 03:17:00 AM
flame me if im stupid but i cant tell if that was sarcastic or not

Title: Your wish has been granted
Post by: imaphatbastard on November 28, 2003, 02:40:00 PM
Title: Proof positive
Post by: geezmeister on November 29, 2003, 09:38:00 AM
A-M: Your first comment was sufficient evidence to prove your unfamiliarity with clean, pure meth. The second comment does nothing more than emphasize the accuracy of the conclusion reached after reading your first comment.
Enjoy your junk rush all you want. Just don't confuse others by suggesting that real meth causes that rush. It doesn't. Your comparison of real meth to vitamins does nothing more than illustrate how poorly informed you are on the matter.

Title: geez
Post by: Dope_Boy on December 01, 2003, 11:17:00 AM
Title: this elevator has taken off in a rush
Post by: IHSIN on June 26, 2004, 09:10:00 AM
geez: as an IV user, I appreciate the "rush" my good gear gives me, but whilst I call it a rush, I'm pretty certain that its the same this as what your talking about.

Having used Hypo, Phos and RP all of varying quality with LG I2 (and progressivly more and more h20-funny about that)in rxn's ranging from 3-20 hours for a couple of years now I'm pretty sure I've got a idea of the "awareness" you talk about.

However, its my experience that there is a "saturation point" for your body. If I've had a couple of clean days, put a cook on, sleep for 15 hours (big meal etc etc) wake up, work it up, bang it up, it takes 30 to 60 seconds to start to feel the "thump"  (i usually use 0.125g) it can be like you say, a sudden feeling (angsity) that the elevator aint gonna stop at your floor. Then its bright eyed bushy tailed for quiet some time.

However, here is were there maybe some confusing for some bees I beelieve.

My body wasn't saturated for this first one, and me being an absolutly disgusting pig every once in a while, will follow this 0.125g with another an hour later, and maybe one more a couple of hours later. and with the first "dose" saturating my system, these next two have a somewhat different "thump", you can feel it whilst its still in your arm, its dazzling (and damaging), but yes you could call it a "rush", i can't usually call it anything for a couple of hours, but thats the general idea ;-)

I once hit .31g of some very clear glass beads after an error with my slide bar scales (the zeroing weight was well out) and I can say for certain that that was an absoult "rush",  but only because that elevator just didn't stop. I realized something was wrong when jacking back and my blood was an extraordinary crimson, but it wasn't dispersing in the water, it had a very sharp edge to it- i was pushing it in at this stage and as I got near the end I work out that what all these things were caused by was the incredible thickness of the liquid, but it was toooooo late.

Yes that was a rush, but I know it wasn't solvent, or salt for that matter.

Yes, I know these ammounts might sugest to some that I don't know what "cooked" means, but whist i'm sure its not as good geez's or other beez i know it anit that far short.

Sorry for the ramble, but i understand the "if he gets a rush, he doesn't get it full stop" point of view, but also feel that it may just be the way an individual describes it.and lets face it, whilst you feel like your thinking with world class clarity, your observations ARE under an influence not matter how good your shit is.

He say rush, I say don't be rash. It might be the same thing.

and thats my 2 cents worth.
Title: You know you hit up
Post by: geezmeister on June 26, 2004, 11:10:00 AM
You know you hit up when you do meth. You get high. I'm not talking about the elevator up to being high. I'm talking about a rush from slamming drugs. You want to experience a rush, slam cocaine when you are fresh. Slam a quarter gram and hold on. Or slam a quarter gram cut with H. Talk about rush. That's a rush. Compared to those, meth provides a minor ride on a kiddie roller coaster. Get the salts out and the meth rush is uneventful at best.

You get high. You feel yourself get high. But clean meth doesn't give you a rush that a junkie learns to love. I have friends who love to fire meth and don't like my meth to slam because its too clean. Not enough physical side effects to them. Give them the same meth mixed with a lttle epsoms salts and they love it. Its what they are looking for. No accounting for taste, I guess.

Title: meth isn't the drug of choice for a slam
Post by: IHSIN on June 26, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
Couldn't agree with you more. Slamming .4g of MDMA with a little coke, yeah, thats a rush.  Hammer is sooooo nice, but thats the one I won't let myself acquire a source as I like it way tooo much.

Guess I just call it a rush sometimes cause its the word you learn (correctly) to use when you first use. Then you do it yourself, and you know its not quiet the same, but RUSH is an applicable term, even if not quiet accurate. I didn't choose to slam .31, and would not do so again. being that wired is not fun, and believe me, .31 leaves you wired, no matter how clean.
Title: rush?? no problem
Post by: Jacked on June 26, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
Add a pench of salt to your shit and you will have your rush

Title: Hammer
Post by: ChemoSabe on June 26, 2004, 07:00:00 PM
Speaking of hammer, what became of him?

PM me if it's one of those non public matters.

Title: Salt?
Post by: localbuilder on June 26, 2004, 07:23:00 PM
When salt is said to cause the rush many say they enjoy.  Is that adding salt to it at the time of useing or at the time of crystalizing?  Looking to experiment
Title: I think Jacked means to add a pinch to your...
Post by: gluecifer69 on June 26, 2004, 08:26:00 PM
I think Jacked means to add a pinch to your final product after recrstallization.

Title: Mr. Monday
Post by: gluecifer69 on June 27, 2004, 05:56:00 AM
I do believe is anyone here is full of shit it you, with all due respect.  Apparently you have never IV'd pure meth.  Ask Jemma.  I am sure rhi knows what she is talking about!

Hell swim has iv'd his own 36 hour refluxed shit and got no rush.

Lets clear one thing up, it does give you (when the meth kicks in) euphoria, but absolutely nothing like a good coke i.v. rush.

Title: Homeostatomasochism
Post by: Red_Crown on June 29, 2004, 09:34:00 AM
I don't know what time-frames are implied in any of your definitions of "rush", but assuming it's nearly  instantaneous, here is some biology to consider: 

It takes at least 20 seconds for blood to circulate once throughout the body. If anything is injected into a vein in the arm (which is close going back to the heart), since the carotid artery is one of the first recipients of heart output, lets say that it takes about 5-10 seconds for an injection to reach the brain.
A) It's not as if all of the MA jumps out of the capillaries, perfectly single-file, and heads towards the pertinent receptors.
B) Even at that, the mechanism of action is a gradual build-up of endogenous norepinephrine and dopamine in the synapses as prompted by the hardy and affine mimic, methamphetamine, stimulating from upstream.. There's no reuptake leakage or massive release like cocaine or MDMA.. No strong receptor blockade like heroin. 
(A drug binds to receptors instantly, and receptors may modulate their neuron's output directly, but that output could take any length of time to affect the rest of the brain.)
C) There is very little methamphetamine (esp. d-meth) can affect outside of the brain. Unlike cocaine, for instance, which can directly interact with Ca++ channels (which are all over, but especially important in cardiac muscle) and with Na+ channels (thus the topical anaesthesia), at least.(It's a big funky molecule, after all..)

Anyhow, All-in-All, Needless To Say:

If you feel much of anything very pronounced and systemic too instantly upon IV injection of methamphetamine, then it is most likely just shock.

Ever do too much cleaning in an under-ventilated room with over-concentrated bleach?   ..BOY, was that a rush I'll never forget: Angry and confused. High quality poison gas. ..It did invoke a fight-or-flight response -- which is maybe where the whole confusion arises..

Title: Dark crimson in the rig
Post by: invasivefungoids on June 29, 2004, 11:54:00 AM
IHSIN- I know what you are talking about.  When I was a younger fungoid and there was a golf ball in the filter drying under the lamp, swim would get impatient and break off a chunk for the spoon.  Upon administration, there would be a burn that ran all the way up my arm, and sometimes the blood would clot so quickly that I wouldn't even be able to get it all in without gripping the rig so hard that I would poke through the vein and miss.  Good old Cole.  Between the hot dry fasties, and the wet D, I was rushing like hell.  Sometimes my dumb ass would have to stick my head in the freezer because of the hot lungs/head and the tunnel vision.  Now, when swim does run across the occasional spoon, he agrees with geez and prefers nice, clean, iodine-free almost clear water in his rig.  This might be unacceptable or frowned upon, but when swim has just added his water to the cook-pot, he takes a bar of magnesium on a string and puts it in the pot to let all the b.s. bubble off.  One time he left it in the pot for a few hours and his honey turned clear as water- when he gassed it, it formed rock hard chunks as soon as the gas hit the blue- no "applesauce".