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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Butanediol Isomer Question
« Last post by chip on January 11, 2019, 09:34:26 PM »
The "rare and precious" gift is the ability to have a brain wired for Chemistry.
I have to say, you still do not understand it.
We don't have a brain wired for that, through hard and honest work we actively have our brains rewired to get them like that.

i think it may be inate as you would have a predisposition to dedicate yourselves to many lengthy, varying and intricate sequential steps, optimising, refining, documenting etc.
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Butanediol Isomer Question
« Last post by carl on January 11, 2019, 06:29:32 PM »
The "rare and precious" gift is the ability to have a brain wired for Chemistry.
I have to say, you still do not understand it.
We don't have a brain wired for that, through hard and honest work we actively have our brains rewired to get them like that.
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Butanediol Isomer Question
« Last post by dopamine on January 11, 2019, 11:15:49 AM »

Guys, to understand Chemistry, stuff like covalent bonding and being able to predict what molecules you are going to end up with is like playing GOD !

The "rare and precious" gift is the ability to have a brain wired for Chemistry.

So, I can only assume that marriage is out of the question ?   :-[ ::)

Why can't it be like it was when we first met ?!

haha, you guys crack me up !

Lol, I appreciate the tension breaking humour.  Lets just keep things scientific in the future and there will be little room for bickering about pointless stuff.
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Harm Reduction Resources / Re: Butanediol Isomer Question
« Last post by chip on January 11, 2019, 08:22:06 AM »
Yeah,  I've been officially 'triggered'   ;D
Not a troll.

Please dissect my post and note the points at which i was being foolish.

Let's resolve our differences.
I agree very much on dopas opinion.

chip is a fool. :-* :-* :-*

Also, calling our hobby a rare and precious gift?
Nonsense! Everyone can do it... provided he shows effort, persistence and a certain strength of will.
Claims like his are why I stay away from the customer/consumer scene, they seem to be entirely composed of fools to me, his post confirms why I have this opinion of them ???
Luckily I do not need to be even remotely connected with this bunch of strange and idiotic, sad kind of people ::)

Guys, to understand Chemistry, stuff like covalent bonding and being able to predict what molecules you are going to end up with is like playing GOD !

The "rare and precious" gift is the ability to have a brain wired for Chemistry.

So, I can only assume that marriage is out of the question ?   :-[ ::)

Why can't it be like it was when we first met ?!

haha, you guys crack me up !
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Banning or discouraging ALL opioid posting of any kind definitely isn't the way to go.

Banning or discouraging ANY posting of any kind definitely isn't the way to go either........... Just saying, I'm not a fan, and I don't have to read it.

It is only hyper-potent compounds that are a worry.

Hmmm............. I don't agree with this, but we won't fall out over it.

I'm all for whatever benefits the forum, anything that raises the quality around here is a good thing, and anything that doesn't............... Well, it just doesn't. If some newbee turns up who happens to bee the next Shulgin of synthetic opioid analogs, I don't think I'll bee able to stop him      ;D


/CJ
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Banning or discouraging ALL opioid posting of any kind definitely isn't the way to go.

It is only hyper-potent compounds that are a worry.
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I'm with Zippy on this one.............. It wouldn't bother me in the least if I never read another opiate thread here again.
Actually think it draws unwanted heat, and just generally, it isn't what I want the site to bee about anyways. What ever about other drugs, opiates have been absolutely demonized by the general public............ I wonder why?     ::)

BUT......... in the interest of freedom of speech........... and freedom of mind.............. and the forum.......... if somebody wants to discuss serious opiate chemistry like a true scientist, reporting results and posting quality work like a real researcher, well, I suppose I gotta bee down with that.

It's a fine line and we will surely fall into the big grey area in between.

We have ONE thread somewhere, reserved for ALL Fentanyl discussion. And I would like to remind people that anything posted in the Harm Reduction forum appears on the log-in page and can bee read by non-members too............ So this 'site-wide group discussion' can and will probably bee read by about a half a million people   


If I had to vote on ANY opioid discussion here, I would "just say no!"     :P


Joe

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If it were u to me we would ban discourage all discussion of opiates entirely.
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Sounds good to me.  Even if you don’t kill yourself directly making it, there’s a good chance they’ll screwup diluting it and kill some people.  Murder tends to be high on LE priorities list.  Shouldn’t contribute information to people from the  “shake and bake”-school of clandestine chemistry.  Not worth the bad karma or extra heat....
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It was Tsath's thinkig, not too long ago, after having both seen his share of posters, often those who are blatantly new to the site, and coming solely to learn how to knock out business scale quantities of super-strong fent analogs. And also having been the recipient of more than a few zero-post eggs sending Tsath' personally, PMs asking for his serving them as a consultant or team member for hire, etc., if he can but assist in technological consultation, or even practical supply of services or/and materials. He need not say it, but he has a policy of, and ALWAYS has turned such individuals down. All the more so since they are quite obviously here for one thing only.

And it ain't a good one.

So, Tsath' hereby proposes first, a site-wide discussion upon coming together to discuss this IMO critical issue. It's both a dangerous opioid, fenanyl itself, over and above the toxicity levels by weight, but also by type, among other opioids, with fentanyl pattern agents, because unlike other opioids, fentanyl is quite commonly known within H that's circulating as notorious bad batches.

That we convene a nest-wide council of our winged kin, and take whatever time we need to decide a policy on how we approach the subject. Tsath' does not believe some hard-line intolerant fanatical ban is warranted, but he does believe we need to develop a policy on fentanyl and other ultra-potent opioids. He believes that this must be done in consultation between us all, and done logically and rationally, without descent into emotion or hysteria.

Polling might well be necessary, and seems to Tsath' most likely the best way to decide policy, but first, let us convene a council on ultrapotent opioids.

Who else here agrees that we ought to have at least some policy about them?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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