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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2015, 08:37:17 PM »
as I added them the discussion declined, information was surpressed, rude unhelpful responses were more prevalent than actual helpful responses from many of the mods. 


Some of the mods were straight up elitist assholes.

I did really like no1uno a lot of the time, and Java of course - but it seemed lugh was the leader and often propagated some sort of behavior of posting a canned response that was less helpful than UTFSE. I mean, it wasn't horrible - but it wasn't good.

Site growth: https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php?action=stats
2008: I created it at the end of 2008.
2009: Sedit joins and invites a bunch of people, he really helped get it started.
2010-2011: Its basically at it's prime, everyone is present but moderation is low and openness is high. Naf1 really stands out. I miss him, was a great guy.
2012: Naf1/German and all the Helional controversy begins, I create some hidden subforums for elite people (mistake on my end, for sure as it breeds suppression of information.
2013-2014: site is dying, I start to hate running it because of what it has become and I almost give it away.
2014-2015: I remove all mods, change it to being more open and more indexed - and growth restores back to how it was at its prime. This year is likely to yield 8050 posts from a recent low of 2,876 - the contrast would be even greater if we look the rate it is still growing, and when I made the changes.

Next year we'll probably hit 12,000 or so posts - and it all seems pretty good in quality/discussion and not much drama.

I been on many forums over the years, last few years have been lame until I stumbled on here, besides some private sites this is the only place I visit really anymore.  Thanks for keeping it going bro.

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2015, 11:43:21 PM »
I been on many forums over the years, last few years have been lame until I stumbled on here, besides some private sites this is the only place I visit really anymore.  Thanks for keeping it going bro.

I want to second this. 

I literally dreamed about being a part of the hive back in the day and when a friend of mine recommended this forum I was ecstatic, even a little unbelieving at first.  An active clan chem forum with many bees who from what I have seen, are very helpful and friendly.  It seems like this site is great for those getting their feet wet as well as some of the more advanced techniques where as the-collective (from what I've heard), is only for those who already have a serious background with experience.  Each site is good for a different purpose.

I hope to see this site grow into the next hive and believe it will over time. 
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2015, 01:30:35 AM »
One definitely thirds that motion, much props and thanks to any proprietors, contributors, and anything synonymous to them......

it's nice to have a home for a change..... particularly when one has been on the road  for a similar number of years like sub has......
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Because following through the implications of aiming first at equality, it becomes clearer..........One can only aim at equality, when one gives some people the right to take things from others, and what ultimately happens, is that A and B decide what C shall do for D    ..............except that they take a little bit of a commission off on the way " ~~~Milton Friedman
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2015, 01:37:54 AM »

I did really like no1uno a lot of the time, and Java of course - but it seemed lugh was the leader and often propagated some sort of behavior of posting a canned response that was less helpful than UTFSE. I mean, it wasn't horrible - but it wasn't good.

Site growth: https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php?action=stats
2009: Sedit joins and invites a bunch of people, he really helped get it started.
2010-2011: Its basically at it's prime, everyone is present but moderation is low and openness is high. Naf1 really stands out. I miss him, was a great guy.
2012: Naf1/German and all the Helional controversy begins, I create some hidden subforums for elite people (mistake on my end, for sure as it breeds suppression of information.

This is all 2009. Those two had left the forum by 2011.
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2015, 02:32:01 AM »
Jesus really? Okay got that backwards. Hard to remember. I need to look over it all again.
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2015, 02:50:01 AM »
Jesus really? Okay got that backwards. Hard to remember. I need to look over it all again.

Sedit invited German from WD in early 2009. German came over bringing Naf1 with him as they were working on phenylalanine to meth together at the time. Shortly after joining German started with helional and Naf1 shortly followed. Naf1 then took helional into the public section and then shortly after he disappeared in late 2009 (most likely arrested). German then left a few short months later a month into 2010. So they both came and went in 2009. Then in beginning of 2010 the forum started to go downhill until it almost died circa 2012.
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2015, 03:09:38 AM »
I also think the hive should stay as read only.

If a response for these posts is coming, then one should just quote/new topic.

Glad to see this appear!

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2015, 04:14:55 AM »
Not at all opposed to "freezing it".
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2015, 04:17:17 AM »
Jesus really? Okay got that backwards. Hard to remember. I need to look over it all again.

Sedit invited German from WD in early 2009. German came over bringing Naf1 with him as they were working on phenylalanine to meth together at the time. Shortly after joining German started with helional and Naf1 shortly followed. Naf1 then took helional into the public section and then shortly after he disappeared in late 2009 (most likely arrested). German then left a few short months later a month into 2010. So they both came and went in 2009. Then in beginning of 2010 the forum started to go downhill until it almost died circa 2012.

Yeah that sounds right.  I've talked to German a few times since, maybe that confused me and/or I'm just really pretty butthurt about the whole Naf1 situation. Used to talk to him a lot via Pm just about things.  Really smart really nice guy. Damn shame as to what happened, which I can only kinda figure out it was a raid and a pretty serious jail sentence. 
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2015, 09:37:41 AM »
Please wait with crawling, we are thinking about a complete download package plus we are currently making the board easier to crawl, e.g. by implementing static links and non-redundant links for crawlers. Please check https://archive.erowid.org for announcements.

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Re: Please wait with crawling
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2015, 12:23:06 PM »
Please wait with crawling, we are thinking about a complete download package plus we are currently making the board easier to crawl, e.g. by implementing static links and non-redundant links for crawlers. Please check https://archive.erowid.org for announcements.

why should someone download a probably spiked huge database when he can access it and comment right on the spot here? Man, don't try to slip us a Mickey Finn. All of a sudden this archive is back online, and that's great, but in my opinion Vesp should continue what he's doing with the up-to-date implementation. I think is far more knowledgeable with encryption / PGP / security / VPN and all this shit than the-hive ever was.
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2015, 02:36:17 PM »
I believe the Hive archive should be kept as an archive and it should not be possible to register, post new things , add on to existing threads. If we do so there will be many versions of the hive archives sooner or later, while all the community wanted was just a single unified and complete version of the archive.

That's my opinion BTW.

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2015, 04:20:41 PM »
Yeah I'm going to make this archive so it can't be commented on anymore, but still have it be easily quoted and posted in a new thread and searchable like it is currently.
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2015, 12:17:37 PM »
I believe if you close registrations and delete all new users and stop people from loggin in it should be fine

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2015, 05:45:55 PM »
I believe if you close registrations and delete all new users and stop people from loggin in it should be fine

Just delete everyone with less than 409 posts.
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2015, 08:21:08 AM »
Thank you to all who made this possible.  :)
All the missing posts appear to bee there.
Aurelius p2p compilation for example.
It would be nice if the Rhodium and download links worked too.

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2015, 04:24:16 PM »
I have tried once put they ask for  cookies
some strange issue maybe?
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2015, 03:27:17 AM »
I've been robbed 2 times online.  Overgrow and thehive/synthetihkal. 

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2015, 04:06:30 AM »
I've been robbed 2 times online.  Overgrow and thehive/synthetihkal.

What did they rob from you?

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2015, 11:33:06 AM »
" I've been robbed 2 times online.  Overgrow and thehive/synthetihkal.   "

I'm not sure if i understand that ? What do you mean ? Are you the owner of the hive , synthetikal and overgrow ?


( I edited the humor out of the post because others dont share my sense of humor and i dont want to ofend anyone  . Sorry if anyone missunderstood my humor and felt / feels ofended )

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