Is it possible to do a thermal rearrangment without have your substance in a solvant?
Picture this.... an air tight beaker (sealed of course)without any air in it.
Placed in a solution of Ultrascene that is at 180'C... (BTW this is for a ketamine synthesis)

Any ideas if this will work... I would of course leave it to "reflux" (not sure if it is considered that really but...) for way longer than 3.5 h as mentioned (or was it 2.5 doesn't matter... ) all I'm saying is.. will it work?

what is your substance that you're trying to rearrange?  If the heating is below its melting point, probably not much chance at success. And why don't you want to use a solvent?

nope.. the melting point is actually .. one sec.. let me check the COA... between 61.0-62.1'c.. oh ya.. I'll place the link up that I used to source most of my info... in regards to the rearrangement at least...

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/ketamine.html

but this is not the exact document.. it also had pictures.. but now I can't find it on the site.. all exact writting tho.. oh well.. any luck maybe? thanks a bunch inadvanced

Are you looking for

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/pcp/ketamine.html

?

Is it that much harder to use the search engine at my page than it is to rant several lines here about you being unable to find it??

no... but I have that page d/l to my hushmail account, It's just that I could not find it through the links... sorry... you are right but the alternative that I did use have the exact same quantitive/qualitative info on it that is relavant to this dream....

Maybe someone else can answer this... maybe I should msg Zealot? he would probably know best eh? any Ideas? I also can't find the bp of this product but then again I don't have a mercks handy... at least a new edition... only the 46th.. oh well... If you have any ideas if this might work/ not work pleas don't hessitate to pm or post.. thanks...

This is all the available information about the compound from Beilstein Crossfire:

https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/hive/hiveboard/picproxie_docs/000452383-file_nmqa.gif" title="View this image">

Names:
1-Hydroxy-cyclopentyl-o-chlorophenyl-ketone-N-methylimine
1-[(2-chloro-phenyl)-methylimino-methyl]-cyclopentanol

Melting point: 62°C

References:

Patent US3254124

{Chem. Abs. 65, 5414h (1966)}

Patent BE634208

{Chem. Abs. 61, 5569c (1964)}

Patent CH454128

Thank Rhodi.. As I type.. or rather by the time you will have read this I will have read thie relavant patent info.. I'm truely sorry that I did not actually find this my self...Oh well..

I'm going to read this patent info... and then if it doesn't talk about any side effects or why they didn't try a dry thermal rearrangement or anything like that.. I think That I will try it once in a dream... Then I'll let you know the outcome... ok?

Once again thank you for all your help.. swim is getting very excited to see the outcome... =)

Thanks again... oh ya.. I have that other ketamine synthesis at my other computer.. I'm sure no one cares... but I'll post it when I get back home... thanks agian..