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VideoEditor

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2002, 05:32:00 PM »
Here is a continuous flow model.  Should bee self explanitory
(a modification of the dwarfer model)

Copy & paste this into your browser. 
They wont let you link directly.

http://www.geocities.com/beenice7711/gas.jpg



Note: you will want to include an on/off valve after the air pump and before the unit or an in-line AC power switch.

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PoohBear4Ever

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2002, 06:05:00 PM »


PB

pandemonium

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2002, 06:16:00 PM »
Once you try a switch on and off method, you will look back and say...

"Damn, I was almost so ghetto I was in the WOODS back
then..."
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"Cook" Cheech: "keep pumping that pop bottle Igor, I'll go roll a joint"

"Igor" Chong: "hokay boss I need a beer too I think ,my allergies are acting up..."



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RoundBottom

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2002, 08:49:00 PM »
nice picture, but... i don't get it.

does the muratic react with the CaCl2, or does the introduction of air cause HCl vapour to escape through the CaCl2 and be dried by it?


i learned a thing or two from charlie dontcha know. <- but apparently not enough

goiterjoe

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2002, 09:07:00 PM »
dwarfer's design didn't put calcium chloride in the same bottle with the hydrochloric.  He used an inline dryer, which wouldn't work near as well.  That design should still have something inline for bees that live in somewhat humid areas, but it looks much better than what dwarfer used to rant about.

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ballzofsteel

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2002, 10:37:00 PM »
Slightly off topic and without a clue,would gassing the freebase with compressed Co2 yeild any xtls eg methcarbonate?

did search,dont understand rxn mechanism,be gentle,thankyou
holdinmeballz :-[

Osmium

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2002, 10:51:00 PM »
CO2 + H2O <=====---> 'H2CO3'

Might work. But I guess some water has to be present.

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VideoEditor

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2002, 11:11:00 PM »
RoundBottom:  The CaCl2 absorbs water from the acid releasing HCL Gas at a much faster rate than simply passing air through it.  The pump forces air up through the HCL saturated CaCl2 and then out of the bottle.  The crushed glass keeps the inlet from clogging with CaCl2..

Thanks Pooh for fixing the jpg!

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BenWiFFen

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Re: New Clean Gassing Method!
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2002, 12:30:00 AM »
Personally I never cared much for gassing. A/B titrate with hydrochloric acid is easy once you get the hang of it.

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RoundBottom

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2002, 12:51:00 AM »
thx VE.  but is it vapour or gas that hits the CaCl2?  and is there a difference in this application?

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blaztoff

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2002, 01:53:00 AM »
Pressurized garden sprayers last about 2 or 3 gassings then they start to get eaten up by the hcl gass. They dont work that well. Either gas Ipa or  do a search for microwave chemistry gasses. [

http://mattson.creighton.edu/MicrowaveMethod/%5Dthis

  is just about the most easiest foolproof controlable method Ive seen. Thanks Fman

goiterjoe

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2002, 04:55:00 AM »
thought I'd clean up that link for you.

http://mattson.creighton.edu/MicrowaveMethod



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Synthia

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2002, 05:45:00 AM »
that ballzofsteel is bright wee spark, you'd be hard pushed to extingush the fire in his mind. with a name like that swis reckons you've got a handle on working with base.

see how oz says so few words and says so much, when you can do that they make your name red  ;)

in the begining swis could have bits of reaction scattered from start to end meaning that unchanged precussors or compounds formed from side reactions, inexperienced washing or extraction techniques gave rise to undesirables with the planned or unplanned addition of hcl things went to shit

come time for e-vapour-ation swis's inexperience coulda turned out shit the dog would run from. recystalising helped.

i haven't tried dwafers pump, but i like the advantage of going slow if you lack heaps of experience, good venting would still be nessersary wouldn't it.

titiration is a good tool, though swis got some very different results when working with different np solvents.

swis found that some solvents could hold an excessive amount of HCl and in a very short time your goods got trashed, without the experience this can be real nerve-racking and not so flash on yields.

i think hemetite talked about precharging a solvent with hcl, wether he did this with another solvent present i can't remember.

swis doesn't have the full grasp on all of the techniques but is known to split honey and try different work-ups/combo's. its an eye opener.

swis also got plagued with the sulphate pixies, she changed her solvent and acid supplier. with a new brand and somemoney wasted, no more yellow.

i think superassman has a write up on the tale of worlocks kerplunk thread about nutrilising sulphates which could probably get done after you get the goods clear of its more toxic environment.

a term that i haven't seen much is a planned overshoot, for someone like swis who lacks good chem grounding should this be left till later or is more a matter of whats relevent to the each reaction?

thanks blaztoff, i'm off to find fmans microgas thread,

mmm i hope it doesn't make the meth dry and chewy

imagine a creature so powerfull it could extingush life or create it on a mear whim

goiterjoe

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2002, 07:17:00 AM »
hmm, seeing as how some bees, myself included, have found out the hard way that their climate is relatively humid and consequently their honey laden nonpolar solvent still contains considerable amounts of H2O, I wonder if bubbling in CO2 would take care of the water and salt out the honey at the same time?  Does this sound feasible to skip drying and go straight to bubbling CO2, or did I misunderstand Osmium completely?

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BenWiFFen

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2002, 10:39:00 AM »
Psi garden sprayers last about how many? Like I saied I don't gass anymore. But when I did a valve was added to the hose and you don't pump the thing. Hell I use to leave the stuff in it for months on end. Take it outside and clean it with the garden hose. Now if one was to clean it out after using it. Who knows?

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Augustus

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2002, 11:12:00 AM »
Wow - In my dreams I've never gassed but after seeing the pure simplicity of this devise, I just might have to try it in my next dream. Thanks VE!!

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blaztoff

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2002, 11:12:00 AM »
yeah if you dont do any modifications they will not last. And the whole pump doesnt work and will get eaten away quickly.

morpheus

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2002, 01:02:00 PM »
Have found gassed gear not to my liking(probably deeply
rooted psychological).
However VE for originality and pure simplicity I give you
a ten.Should bee called "VE's caveman gassing apparatus"
I'm sure some newbee's and possibly bee's will enjoy it.
Congrads. in order.

ballzofsteel

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2002, 08:10:00 PM »
SWim dreamt of buying one of those soda stream machines we used to make softies with.Wacking her solvent/honey into the supplied bottle,loading her up (pressurised),cranking a bulb through the mix then finding xtls in her soda pop. :) this would be a nice dream.
quick question?Would it be possible to carbonate pfed/ephedrine with dry ice-or any other method?
hmmmmm I wonder.BAllz must go extinguish hair now :-[

VideoEditor

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Re: Bugs look out here comes the HCL !!!
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2002, 09:45:00 PM »
Wether you use the wash bottle or use the pump here are some final tips:

1. Remember their is no reaction between the HCL and the CaCl2.  The CaCl2 is absorbing the water component of the acid liberating the HCL gas.

2. You only want to add as much Muratic Acid as the CaCl2 can absorb.  It will take the CaCl2 several  minutes to start absorbing the water.  The Acid should be fully absorbed in 10-20 minutes, but you can start gassing after the first few minutes.

3. As long as all the liquid Acid is absorbed by the CaCl2 the gas output will be dry.  No additional drying should be nessasary. (though your climate may vary)

4. Do NOT under estimate the amount of gas that will be produced.  Even though not alot of pressure is created,  HCL can slowly drift out of the bottle for days.  Store and/or dispose of it properly, and even if you can't see any gas, don't leave it in any room with metal or electronic equipment you want to continue using.

Personally I like the wash bottle best for its utter simplicity and degree of control.

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