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Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« on: February 27, 2015, 12:17:11 PM »
Sorry, no refs, they are all wellknown already.
I do not agree to have this edited without me agreeing before, you can take it down if you like to but not change it. Thats the deal.





Maybe the best P2NP synthesis ever


Here we go:

The best catalysts are mono and diammonium acetates made by adding the amine to the freezer-cold Nitroethane slowly under stirring followed by the fridge-cold Benzaldehyde.* GAA may be a small stöchiometric excess. That makes it much easier. B-dehyde should be fresh or get distilled beforehand.

Ratios:
1 mol B-dehyde, 1 mol Nitroethane, 0,05 to 0,2 mol amine enough GAA to neutralize the amine + an extra spritz of it.

Examples:
- with Cyclohexylamine:
10ml B-dehyde + 11ml Nitro + 2ml cyclo + 1,6ml GAA
- with Ethylene Diamine:
10ml B-dehyde + 11ml Nitro + 0,5ml EDA + 0,9ml GAA + 5ml ethanol (didnt really dissolve the crystals which formed, didn´t matter either)**




As told all monoamines work and most diamines too. Say, propyl, diisopropyl, methyl, dimethyl, ethyl, ethanol, cyclohexyl, ethylene diamine and on and on. Of the over 100 (di)amines you might be able to get one I believe. If not: Get another hobby.

Not only GAA can be used as acid but other organic acids too.
Known to work well are formic acid (courtesy hest/HIVE) and benzoic acid (some articel and confirmed). Others will work too - give it a shot and report!
Benzoic acid is told to be very soft on the substrates so if one is to condense a substituted sensibel B-dehyde this might be the best choice.

Procedure 1 (recommended): Microwave

- mix and nuke up to 60/70°C
- cool down in cold waterbath
- repeat
- do this as often until SLIGHT discoloration is visible
- let cool down slowly at RT and then in the fridge.
Crystallisation occurs like magic. For me. If not scratch with glassrod against beaker walls. Seed crystals are best. Safe some and relax.

Filter P2NP on the pump (that means Büchner + vacuum). Rinse with a little ice-cold anhydrous alcohol (ethyl, methyl IPA...). This adds to the liquid from filtration.

This combined liquid:

- nuke again to 60°C
- just once
- cool down to RT, fridge etc.

repeat

If you got the timing more or less right there is 70% yield on the first crop, 20% on the second and more comes third maybe fourth (dry weight after recrystallisation from alcohol or petrolether. Use MeOH so you are masochistic or just love to cry a bit from time to time, use IPA if you are not such a painslut)

Of course the broth gets darker every round, doesnt matter after recrystalisation it will be pristine.

The trick is to remove P2NP in time so it stands not in its own way and more can form. The little dilution every time by the rinsing alcohol helps also, it proceeds beautifully.

Drawback: You have to wait for cooling down/crystals and filter more often.
Plus: The reaction is done in 10 minutes, 5 minutes filtering, this 3x makes 45 minutes the rest is watching porn.


Procedure 2: No Microwave
- the same just use a heating plate/preheated waterbath
- needs longer heating and due to this gives more discoloration and less time for watching porn
- in this reaction the microwave is clearly superior to other heating methods



Microwave additional information:
- use a not-rotating-table model, a "mode stirrer" type so any possible.
- The microwave must be a dedicated one, dedicated to science and progress as you don´t want to use this microwave for food preparation after this.
- For batches up to 300ml a low-power model (500-600Watt) is preferred. Bigger batches are better done using several smaller flasks (like 4x 250ml at the same time) then a single big one as the penetration depth of microwaves is limited.
- Wide neck Erlenmeyers are preferred, some cotton stuffed loosely into the neck reduces obnoxious fumes to almost zero.
- having "nitro" in its name makes nitroethane no explosive per se in special not in solution. Should something happen then not because of the microwaves but because you are an idiot and then the cavity of a microwave is a much better place then a flask on a hotplate near balls or face.


Congratulation! You made it through all these words until the end! Not all hope is lost!


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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2015, 11:00:37 AM »
The pictures to the first post.

It would be better if this was directly below the first post, I do not know if this can be done.
There is more to come so when it is complete it might - so possible - be arranged in one block?

thx
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I also hoped this is not for "discussing" the endless discussed again but for presentation of something what actually happened. Can't the replies be moved to somewhere else?
« Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 11:15:17 AM by fishinabottle »
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For those who know the P2NP - why not like this?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2015, 11:30:40 AM »
Benzaldehyde/Nitroethane to P2P in one flask without P2NP isolation/purification
excellent yields


Into a 2 liter flask were given one mol cold b-dehyde and then under stirring 1.1 of the b-dehydes volume in nitroethane containing 5.5g ethylene diammonium acetate* catalyst (2ml ethylene diamine are added to icecold nitroethane followed by 3.7ml GAA - stirring is mandatory)

Nuked in the micro, cooled in an icebath.
In go 3 more grams catalyst in some 30ml ethylalcohol* (it was not completely dissolved but this does not matter), nuked again, and cooled.
3g more cat in alc and nuked and let cool down slowly over night at RT - most of the liquid crystallized.
(Two to three hours cooling in the fridge would have worked the same I guess)

*2ml amine into 30ml ethylalcohol and then slowly 3.7ml GAA. This gave the two other portions of catalyst. The acetate crystallized out of the alc after some time, nevermind, divided in two portions, crystals and alc used as is.


Attention please!
The reaction is nuked to 70 deg. max. - near to the boiling point what is the one of the water/nitroethane azeotrope and that is about 75 deg.
Measure often and avoid overheating (over the boiling point) what happens quickly in a microwave and the the shit hits the ceiling - promised. Better nuke - measure - nuke - measure and so on. Be aware that temperature raises nonlinear, so a nuke which gave a rise of 10 deg. can later make it jump by 20 deg easily. One longer nuke at start and then short hits. With small amounts one or two 500ml mason jars 2/3rd filled with water are put in the corners of the micro to keep it controlable. Otherwise it is too fast.



As one can see the soup gets pretty dark.
But not black like with the mad cooking for hours....

Next step:

250g fine iron powder, 4g ferric chloride hexahydrate and 500ml of 80°C tap water were added with strong stirring, then 500ml muriatic acid 32% as fast as the ice-water cooled high performance condensor allowed.
What was pretty fast, 30 minutes maybe.
Left to reflux for 45 minutes and steamdistilled.

Very nice clean P2P in excellent yields.





The P2P was vacuum distilled and successfully used in a catalytic hydrogenation.

To push too hard is the big mistake to make, thats true for the microwaving part as for steamdistillation. In both cases drama results.
- in the micro overheated soup will boil all at once and spray the whole room - ugly
- too much heat in steamdistillation will destroy P2P and contaminate the rest.



If you dont know your P2NP and P2P/iron synthesis already very well this probably wont work for you as it depends on the ability to make ad-hoc judgements where you actually are at the moment. Catalyst makes a difference too and the microwave used and and and....

But for those who already have some knowhow on the micro-P2NP synth it just got a lot easier to get to the ketone.
No more burning faces and tedious recrystallisations, P2NP sticking to everything poisoning the air for days transforming to teargas on the addition of hot water....


Heinzelmann was a jerk.
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PS: The attached pictures show P2P from an iron/HCl reduction. Once when steamdistilled and the other after the steamdistilled got vacuumdistilled. Notice the refraction!
« Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 11:45:20 AM by fishinabottle »
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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2016, 08:38:14 PM »
You had mentioned else where that an "activated" iron is required for a similar application with p2np, please explain if the "fine powder" mentioned here is sufficient with tin chloride, if not I will attempt to research (if I can grasp the information) the alternative iron.
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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2016, 12:42:46 PM »
Reduced iron might be suitable, never used a Fe/acid reduction on a nitropropene though. This is iron thats been prepared via precipitation from a suitable salt using a reducing agent, such as ascorbic acid/vitamin C. Not sure, but glucose might be useable in some cases as its a reducing sugar.b
Very fine powder, should be protected from oxidation by the air.

Or pyrophorus of iron, that which is left when an organic acid salt like the tartrate is pyrolyzed in a sealed or stoppered tube, in the absence  of O2 and the organics driven off. This may well ignite on contact with air, the analogous material known as pyrophoric lead is made likewise, by heating lead tartrate without air, decomposing it and using heat to drive off the organics, leaving behind a fine, fine, fine powder, that bursts into a cloud of sparks the moment the container is thrown and broken, or opened and the Pb pyrophorus flicked out of its vial, the stuff ignites instantly. So the more reactive iron will do so even easier.

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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2016, 04:58:51 AM »
Last things first, I'm now in my 2nd year of treatment (still not completely diagnosed) for what is being so far described as "atypical narcolepsy with long sleep-time".  I am seeing a specialist 2hrs away as the 1st one here locally was unsatisfactory. 3.5 years ago I was in upper management for the 2nd largest local employer and owned my 1st home. I am on disabilty pension now, have not had a beer with 1 friend in 1.5 years now and typically do not leave the bed without dosing m-amp. I'm prescribed m-phenidate and adderall to which I am unresponsive. Idiopathic hypersomnia is likely what the final diagnosis will be. Onset is not understood but cat scan revealed "white matter" spot on brain. I am trying to source flumazenil and orexin A currently, neither of which any specialist has even mentioned the existance of. I knew these dumb fucks would take a decade to figure me out so I've been studying clan. chem and dreaming of aquiring extensive lab wares and reagents. I wont try to explain symptoms except to say it is like being dead almost. I would have killed myself by now if not for the involvement and complete support of family. This is the 1st I have ever posted anything anywhere and normally I make sure I am invisible. The only reason for now doing so is after having watched countless petty, pathetic, sick, bullshitting weirdo make whats left of my life that much worse by posting worthless fucking bullshit where facts are supposed to be that I'm not too worried about it now. I doubt law enforcement even gives a fuck about most of the horseshit that is available on most all websites anymore . Although its Not like I actually know first hand that not one synth (excepting the possibilities of birch and gringard) is actually usable including r.p. rxn's for fuck sake. Should be pretty easy with lab reag. you would think. I'm not sure why so many spend so much time wasted HELPING FUCKING NOBODY!!!!!! Please dont be offended but do you realize even your response does everything but HELP ME ACTUALLY GET SOME RATIONAL GUIDANCE. Unless of course you thought the guy who said right in his post he is not fluent in chemistry was going take what you said and sure as shit magically bring what you posted into physical reality. Do you see how that makes no sense. Thank you for responding to my post. I hope in the future you might even try to help me or some one else who is clearly asking and in need of it. I'm not being a smart ass here or trying to insult you in a passive aggressive and internet forum classic display of "I think I'm being clever but it's obvious I am a moron and a dirtbag", I actually mean it in the truest sense of the words. I'm very tired and really starting to waste your time and as always, my own. I may go have a 48-55 hour nap. It would be cool if the $300 bag of drugs I have contained amphetamines instead of what ever the fuck it is, but hey at least there is consistency in this b.s. The dope doesn't work in practice or in theory. Neat. Bye 4 now.
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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2016, 10:24:15 AM »
Last things first, I'm now in my 2nd year of treatment (still not completely diagnosed) for what is being so far described as "atypical narcolepsy with long sleep-time".  I am seeing a specialist 2hrs away as the 1st one here locally was unsatisfactory. 3.5 years ago I was in upper management for the 2nd largest local employer and owned my 1st home. I am on disabilty pension now, have not had a beer with 1 friend in 1.5 years now and typically do not leave the bed without dosing m-amp. I'm prescribed m-phenidate and adderall to which I am unresponsive. Idiopathic hypersomnia is likely what the final diagnosis will be. Onset is not understood but cat scan revealed "white matter" spot on brain. I am trying to source flumazenil and orexin A currently, neither of which any specialist has even mentioned the existance of. I knew these dumb fucks would take a decade to figure me out so I've been studying clan. chem and dreaming of aquiring extensive lab wares and reagents. I wont try to explain symptoms except to say it is like being dead almost. I would have killed myself by now if not for the involvement and complete support of family. This is the 1st I have ever posted anything anywhere and normally I make sure I am invisible. The only reason for now doing so is after having watched countless petty, pathetic, sick, bullshitting weirdo make whats left of my life that much worse by posting worthless fucking bullshit where facts are supposed to be that I'm not too worried about it now. I doubt law enforcement even gives a fuck about most of the horseshit that is available on most all websites anymore . Although its Not like I actually know first hand that not one synth (excepting the possibilities of birch and gringard) is actually usable including r.p. rxn's for fuck sake. Should be pretty easy with lab reag. you would think. I'm not sure why so many spend so much time wasted HELPING FUCKING NOBODY!!!!!! Please dont be offended but do you realize even your response does everything but HELP ME ACTUALLY GET SOME RATIONAL GUIDANCE. Unless of course you thought the guy who said right in his post he is not fluent in chemistry was going take what you said and sure as shit magically bring what you posted into physical reality. Do you see how that makes no sense. Thank you for responding to my post. I hope in the future you might even try to help me or some one else who is clearly asking and in need of it. I'm not being a smart ass here or trying to insult you in a passive aggressive and internet forum classic display of "I think I'm being clever but it's obvious I am a moron and a dirtbag", I actually mean it in the truest sense of the words. I'm very tired and really starting to waste your time and as always, my own. I may go have a 48-55 hour nap. It would be cool if the $300 bag of drugs I have contained amphetamines instead of what ever the fuck it is, but hey at least there is consistency in this b.s. The dope doesn't work in practice or in theory. Neat. Bye 4 now.

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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2016, 10:37:51 AM »
When I was a child after the vaccination in grammar school I slowly started getting weaker and weaker. I got ill more often than others and developed tonsil stones, lack of muscle tension, sleepiness, etc. I was passed on from one slave master to the next and even sold out by my mother who had to "marry this dork because of she got pregnant with me". Even the doctors knew what it was but by telling me you can't make money -right? It is not attention deficit disorder, although I had all the symptoms - it is Gluten intolerance. I almost become a professional Meth-cook, because once you try it out you can run at full power. All these years i was chronically ill and it became normality. BTW, many of my friends suffered a similar faith and all have been diagnosed "negative" for coeliac but get *VERY* sleepy after they eat something containing gluten - go figure. Before you throw in something chemical make sure you eat the right food. BTW, it takes 3 to 5 days to recover when you've eaten something unhealthy.

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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2016, 09:46:02 AM »
Same with me with the gluten thing, maybe we should start a thread about it.
Anything malt/barley is the worst, and McDonalds burger buns too, McD's & 3 hrs later = asleep.

Also, without gluten, I never yawn.... Dunno why. But there's mention of gluten forming a 'glutomorphine' sorta chemical so that could make sense.
I was wondering if  Narcan™ (naloxone)  would make any difference?

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2016, 12:14:44 AM »
Hahaha, yeah, gluten exorphin is a thing, and it forms in the gut when you eat gluten. I'd never heard of anyone (credibly) saying that it did anything other than "increase gastrointestinal transit time" which is science-talk for "constipation".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten_exorphin

I get orthostatic hypotension something fierce when I eat garbage; a few years ago I used to eat well, but these days I have been pretty bad about it. I don't think gluten exorphin should be able to pass the blood-brain barrier, though... so central opioid-mediated side effects don't seem likely. I always figured that the OH was a result of insulin spikes.

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please explain if the "fine powder" mentioned here is sufficient with tin chloride, if not I will attempt to research (if I can grasp the information) the alternative iron.

I assume you mean fishinabottle's post (we call him "ORG"), where he uses iron powder with iron chloride, and you want to know if you can substitute tin chloride for iron chloride?

Don't bother. Dissolve a few grams of iron powder in a little muriatic acid (hydrochloric acid; same thing, two names) and boil it (the acid) away to leave ferric chloride hexahydrate. You can then use the procedure without modification.
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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2016, 07:46:32 AM »
Orexin? looks a bit tricky owing to being an internally multiply bridged (via disulfide bonds) rather than linear peptide, long one too, synthetic orexinergic ligands would likely be smaller and more amenable to BBB passage. Here is a thought-looked into modafinil yet? thats a very atypical stimulant thats thought to act partially through histaminic, and orexin receptors.


Tsath has read some interesting anecdotal reports on GF-CF diets being followed by autistic people, and yes, he is aware of  the sorts of quackery and pseudoscience spouted by such scrotumsuckling guffmongers  as 'dr' andrew wan...waKEfield, sorry.. and the imfamous, malignant little he-bitch alison tepper-singer, and other AutSqueaks-supporting prostate miners.

But a book he read a whileback, freaks, geeks and asperger's syndrome, this time not by anybody who has a vested interest in promoting quackery, or who stands to gain from peddling intellectual manure, its by a kid (at time of writing) of 14, part of a fair sized family, two brothers, one a lil kid, kanner's, the other aspie, and older, the sisters are NT, parents, not sure of either of their  neurotypes.

The author, luke jackson, seems fairly bright to me, writes clearly and succinctly, with quite a good, wry sense of humor. And not only has he nothing to gain from willfully talking shite; which of course isn't to say he is always correct, fallible as anybody else. But vested interests in falsehood, no. Nor, from the impression Tsath got reading  his book, is that actually he may not be able to lie easily, he certainly seems to find the way others do so repulsive, and whilst never having met the guy, from how he comes off in print, Tsath doesn't believe him to be likely to try and deceive.


At his little brothers age, and level, I believe he himself to be incabable of lying, he's only very young, nonverbal, and almost certainly has absolutely no interest in, or capability of doing so. Certainly not to fake such a response to support adherence to quack dogmas or to wank off his ego using the science associated with the GF-CF diet, hes ata level and age where he would just understand 'this makes me feel good/bad' and 'I'm meant to..../not meant to eat/drink these foods/drinks'. And definitely, definitely isn't going to be faking a reaction to foods containing casein or gluten to support a pseudoscientific
Quack claim through having another observe him eating/drinking and then behaving according to what is expected or thought to happen.


The kids on the spectrum follow GF/CF now, and after a while, the lil tyke's sensory issues reportedly had lessened quite a lot, had become more interactive and able, and better behaved as a kid in general, sleeping better too iirc.  And being better behaved as a kid generally speaking. Sounds like it did help him quite a lot, regardless of how the effect is produced, whats not argued in the book is that the effect WAS produced. And if he dips into the non-GF/CF biccy barrel the result is dramatic according to luke, who himself feels a lot more prone to overloading, craving more of the same food/drinks that would
provide dietary casein and gluten. Less able to concentrate, read peoples intentions,  get  metaphorical and figurative speech  or speak bodylanguage. Can't remember a great deal about the elder brother
 really, but reportedly he too follows and feels like he benefits from the diet. In the case of luke and his little bro, then the rest of the family, who have contributed to the book too per jackson's wishes
that they do so, agree that the diet DOES do something, that the benefit is plain to see, and that if they slip in adherence, that theres hell to pay afterwards.

Something that suggests to toady that the response isn't entirely placebo, is that the youngest brother, the kanner's lad, has a tendency at his age to eat everything, and that luke noted specifically that the school attended by his lil brother makes the play-dough up with rice flour instead of wheat, so he can participate, regardless of his propensity towards pica. This lil nipper in no way would understand that rice flour doesn't contain gluten, if he knows how the play dough is made at all, so couldn't really expect a response or a lack of response, especially as they are not food. Or at any rate not supposed to be :P


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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2016, 07:12:09 AM »
Thank you Tsa-gua, for that very interesting info. and yes, modafanil was actually the first thing I was prescribed oddly enough. I found it did nothing at all unfortunately and have 2 dozen of them still in a bottle. As an aside, I am interpreting that iron chloride hex is what is actually combined with p2np, resulting in p2p, the raw iron and hci is not otherwise necessary. Could it be combined in ethanol to dissolve the nitropene and iron hex, how else would they even be reacted, if I'm even correct in my understanding to begin with? I'm not assuming that you know but rather that question is for everyone of course. Thanks again for the input.
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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2016, 09:45:25 PM »
Hey ORG,

Trying to get back to the thread's subject. I too was curious about the iron used, during my reading I found that Shulgin mentions the use of electrolytic iron however I can't seem to find much regarding that either  ::)

I noticed they seem to market the iron filings in both synthetic and natural but don't really say anything special or unique about the synthetic variant (webstore).

Then what Tsathoggua mentioned about activated iron, im lost like an easter egg. Not looking to be spoon fed, this was just the one bit that I was unable to clarify myself.

Excellent write up!

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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2016, 03:16:14 PM »
Can anyone attest to the effectiveness of the above mentioned procedures for the synthesis of MDPN2P from Heliotropine?

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theystrayed.....ORG won't be able to answer you any time soon.....he's been put on hold for a while......java
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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2016, 10:10:02 PM »
Ferric chloride, btw, is available cheaply and completely unsuspiciously for use in etching PCBs.

Also, there is not only one iron chloride, just to point that out in the interests of precision, there is ferrous chloride, FeCl2, or iron (II) chloride and FeCl3, which is ferric chloride, iron (III) chloride
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2016, 04:08:50 AM »
theystrayed.....ORG won't be able to answer you any time soon.....he's been put on hold for a while......java

Yeah I read that thread after posting, ended up finding the answer but felt like a dick for asking given the circumstances  :(

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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2017, 03:56:25 AM »
It's not a problem.  I hope he is doing well.  Such a shame, but those things happen in our f'ed up world.

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Re: Benzaldehyde - Nitroethane - P2NP and P2NP- Fe/HCl - P2P
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2017, 06:30:07 AM »
Extract the oil after iron reduction will help reduce time and  not destroy the p2p
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