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Offline Lilienthal

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The Hive back online at Erowid
« on: September 22, 2015, 12:53:11 PM »
We have just launched The Hive Archive, the original and complete mirror of the Hive forum at Erowid under https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org.

The Hive was an influential web forum discussing the chemistry of mind-altering compounds that was started in 1997 and attracted a vibrant international community of more than 8,500 active users until it went offline by the end of 2004 at about half a million posts. The forum was taken offline in 2004 when the hosting company was sold and the admins would no longer have direct physical access to the server. There were several attempts to bring the forum back online over the years, with plans on using elaborate network tunneling and proxy schemes to hide the server, but in the meantime the persons behind the board had moved on and were busy with new projects and careers.

The archive is a mirror of the forum from November 15, 2004, the day the server had to be taken offline due to hosting issues. As an archive, the board is read-only and it is not possible to log in. All private information has been removed, including passwords, email addresses, private messages, non-public forums, orphan file uploads and cached images. All automatically expired Couch posts have been restored and early messages have been imported. The forum is running the original and fully functional software that has been updated for current environments. The board's content has been converted to UTF-8 so that Cyrillic texts now display correctly without any tweaks. Further details and some background can be found under https://archive.erowid.org.

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2015, 12:55:53 PM »
Good to know, thanks!

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2015, 01:57:28 PM »
I wonder if the archive contains all of these missing posts that are not found on any of the other archives?
https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php?topic=8385.0

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2015, 02:06:02 PM »

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2015, 04:18:33 PM »
I wonder if the archive contains all of these missing posts that are not found on any of the other archives?
https://www.thevespiary.org/talk/index.php?topic=8385.0

i think it does. it would be great to get back the long lost posts

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2015, 04:44:41 PM »
i just checked and the missing posts from http://mdma.ch/hiveboard/crystal/000408293.html very well work in the new achieve.

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2015, 05:56:17 PM »
Awesome.  I searched and all of my posts are there evidently.

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2015, 12:29:32 AM »
Always glad to have another mirror of the hive online.

I haven't run across any missing threads from the http://mdma.ch/hiveboard, but I'm still a relatively new bee and probably haven't been digging around enough.  One thing that I thought was strange was how I couldn't find any of Strike's posts though, did he ever start new threads? 

The background, timeline, and statistic data is pretty neat though, like a Hive-o-pedia or something.   
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2015, 12:35:03 AM »
He had tons of posts that were deleted by admin so as if to not make it harder on the guy as he was involved in a criminal case from 2000 to something like 2003.  I once stumbled upon a post of his they forgot to remove and they promptly did so upon being informed.

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2015, 02:36:49 AM »
I was looking at my dearly departed best bee Slappy's posts and found this gem.

    P2P's by Pd-catalyzed arylation of acetoacetates
(Rated as: excellent)        

The yields are no good. You need to use a beta-ketoester as the acetone source, then decarboxylate.

That is why I present...

Synthesis of substituted Phenylacetone derivatives via Pd-catalysed alpha-Arylation of Acetoacetate esters.

The efficent large scale synthesis of Phenylacetone and it's derivatives can be accomplished from economical precursors via a Pd-catalysed coupling reaction, and subsequent decarboxylation. First, Methyl (or Ethyl) Acetoacetate is alpha-Arylated with an Aryl Halide (Ph-Br, Ph-I, Ph-OTf), to form 1-Carbomethoxy-Phenylacetone. This ester is then decarboxylated by boiling in dilute HCl, yielding P2P. The attractivness of this route is that it starts from cheap, commodity chemicals (Bromobenzene, Ethyl Acetoacetate, and tribasic Potassium Phosphate are less than $30/kg), low catalyst loading (1-2 mol% Pd), and high efficiancy (yield 80-90%).

The mechanism involves oxidative addition of Ar-X to the Pd center to give Ln(Ar)Pd-X (where L=1 or 2),which then coordinates to the enolate (formed by the beta-Ketoester and base, like K3PO4), and eliminates a mole of KX, giving Ln(Ar)Pd-Enolate, which couples the coordinated Aryl moiety, and reductivly eliminates.

Aryl Halide (1 eq)  = R-Ph-Br, R-Ph-I, R-Ph-OTf
Alkyl Acetoacetate (1.2 eq)
Base (2 eq) = K3PO4
Pd pre-catalyst (1 mol%) = Pd(OAc)2, Pd2(dba)3
Phosphine ligand (2.2 mol%) = PPh3, PtBu3, PCy3

Sutible solvents:
THF, Toluene, Dioxane

Reaction conditions:
10-48h at 70-100°C

Ref:

Buchwald et al., "Highly Active and Selective Catalysts for the Formation of a-Aryl Ketones", J. Am. Chem. Soc. 2000, 122, 1360-1370
Hartwig et al., "Transition metal-catalysed process for preparing alpha-arylated carbonyl containing compounds", Patent US6057456

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 03:42:53 AM »
Nice!
I wonder what provoked this? They just had all the missing content since it went down? I think someone said that having the archive on this site would put pressure on "the powers that be" would encourage them to share the full archive - I don't know how much I even buy into that idea, but maybe such a thing just happened? I bet not.

Going to see if we can crawl over the missing bits and integrate with the "living hive archive" on this site - where users can indeed comment on it.

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 04:25:01 AM »
re:  "Going to see if we can crawl over the missing bits and integrate with the "living hive archive" on this site - where users can indeed comment on it. "

:) nice

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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2015, 04:36:25 AM »


......i just couldn't keep quiet any longer , it just pisses me off for you (Vesp), to cannibalize other forums only to improve your presence , if you read the forward on the Hive archives , it clearly says its for Read Only, just like any other forum that has gone out of circulation , its unprofessional to do what you do, isn't reading the works of others enough?....be creative add some essence with your own members and stop cannibalize others works.......java
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2015, 05:01:15 AM »
Damn Java, that's kind of harsh. Especially when considering that you have more knowledge, experience, and skills then anyone else here yet you do not contribute. Kind of hard to blame Vesp for not relying just on his members' contributions when his most seasoned knowledgable members do not contribute. And I think most here are greatly appreciative for the Hive archives that Vesp added.
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2015, 06:27:19 AM »
Going to see if we can crawl over the missing bits and integrate with the "living hive archive" on this site - where users can indeed comment on it.

what about hyperlab? Can you do that also? I can help you translate it...
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2015, 06:49:58 AM »
Damn Java, that's kind of harsh. Especially when considering that you have more knowledge, experience, and skills then anyone else here yet you do not contribute. Kind of hard to blame Java for not relying just on his members' contributions when his most seasoned knowledgable members do not contribute. And I think most here are greatly appreciative for the Hive archives that Vesp added.

To be fair Java is a great contributor to many places; sciencemadness, the collective, and others, just not this site. He used to be, as did others; No1uno, Lugh, and a good amount of The Hive moderators. They all used to be moderators, and if I could, I would make amends with Java, as he really did contribute a lot in providing resources and references.

The bitterness, as I understand (could be wrong?) comes from me removing all of these people as moderators from this site. Which I believe has yielded more posts and a better atmosphere - at least the site statistics would strongly suggest.
A lot of them were not nice to newer members who were less experienced and seeking knowledge.

The reason I did it was simple though: we don't see eye to eye on something. My goal with this site has always been to provide a community and access to information, and discussion and I believe redundancy is great. While it seems like others only want certain people to have certain information. Mostly when it comes to Helional.

So what if I have a Hive archive on this site, it is everywhere else; The Pirate Bay, Erowid, a few onion sites, on MDMA.ch, and the lyceaum.

I find the accusation of unprofessional an odd term to use. I am just making information available, adding redundancy to ensure that the information remains available for the future.

Let's not forget that I provided all of the previous mods with a MySQL database of this site, free for them to use or integrate or archive or display for their own purposes. None of them took me up on that offer.
 I have also provided an HTML backup of this forum. I WANT people to re-share and re-host this.
I don't know how you could be against those actions or ideas.





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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2015, 03:22:26 PM »
"So what if I have a Hive archive on this site, it is everywhere else; The Pirate Bay, Erowid, a few onion sites, on MDMA.ch, and the lyceaum. "....that's not the point, by you opening up the remnants of the hive that was available prior to Lilienthal posting the whole archive over at Erowid. ....to continue posting on threads from other forum members is not right! Whats wrong with just reading the information .....and now you're talking on doing the same the new batch of files from the archives just released.....won't you just leave it as such.... archives...read only ? 

Just to clarify a thing or two, I have never had any conflict with your prior to your moment of wanting to release the forum to the moderators at the time, I pretty much had my own realm and posted information for all to read and learn....as I've done for over a decade started at the  Hive and many other forums ....as solo at SM I've done the same thing for 13 years. So I say this without any personal interest on controlling your forum, I just dislike the way you've treated the long standing members in this forum that helped you build it and moderate it for many years.....not including myself as i only came in to give information....the moderator status was given not asked for....so i can manage the Reference Section of the forum......just to be clear...java
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Re: The Hive back online at Erowid
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2015, 06:19:03 PM »
So the main complaint is that I make it so people can comment on an old thread? I'd really like to know why that's a problem. I figure it just made it easier than finding, quoting it in a new thread that's created about the same thing. 

Also, all the other moderators and their advice and the way they were treating the new members was absolutely killing the forum. Look at the stasts, as I added them the discussion declined, information was surpressed, rude unhelpful responses were more prevalent than actual helpful responses from many of the mods. 

It seemed fair to me to remove all of the moderators at once, and provide them all with a backup to do with what they wanted: after all, they did contribute a lot so they should get such a thing. 

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2015, 06:37:36 PM »
as I added them the discussion declined, information was surpressed, rude unhelpful responses were more prevalent than actual helpful responses from many of the mods. 


Some of the mods were straight up elitist assholes.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2015, 08:17:21 PM »
as I added them the discussion declined, information was surpressed, rude unhelpful responses were more prevalent than actual helpful responses from many of the mods. 


Some of the mods were straight up elitist assholes.

I did really like no1uno a lot of the time, and Java of course - but it seemed lugh was the leader and often propagated some sort of behavior of posting a canned response that was less helpful than UTFSE. I mean, it wasn't horrible - but it wasn't good.

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2009: Sedit joins and invites a bunch of people, he really helped get it started.
2010-2011: Its basically at it's prime, everyone is present but moderation is low and openness is high. Naf1 really stands out. I miss him, was a great guy.
2012: Naf1/German and all the Helional controversy begins, I create some hidden subforums for elite people (mistake on my end, for sure as it breeds suppression of information.
2013-2014: site is dying, I start to hate running it because of what it has become and I almost give it away.
2014-2015: I remove all mods, change it to being more open and more indexed - and growth restores back to how it was at its prime. This year is likely to yield 8050 posts from a recent low of 2,876 - the contrast would be even greater if we look the rate it is still growing, and when I made the changes.

Next year we'll probably hit 12,000 or so posts - and it all seems pretty good in quality/discussion and not much drama. 
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