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dickdastardly

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methylamine aquisition
« on: October 19, 2001, 06:34:00 PM »
Just a quick question all of ya'll I'm looking to perform a catalytic hydrogenation with methyl amine and would like to know what it is used for OTC

terbium

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2001, 06:49:00 PM »
Not much if any OTC uses, mainly used for making drugs. Because of this, and since it is easy to make, most people make it.

I believe that I have, once here, seen someone suggest that it may be used in taxidermy.

Phosphole

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2001, 09:24:00 AM »
According to my Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary (11th edition), methylamine uses are:

intermediate for accelerators, dyes, pharmaceuticals, insecticides, fungicides, surface active agent, tanning, dyeing of acetate textiles, fuel additive, polymerization inhibitor, component of paint removers, solvent, photographic developer, rocket propellent.

And Hawley doesn't lie.

terbium

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »
According to my Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary (11th edition), methylamine uses are:

intermediate for accelerators, dyes, pharmaceuticals, insecticides, fungicides, surface active agent, tanning, dyeing of acetate textiles, fuel additive, polymerization inhibitor, component of paint removers, solvent, photographic developer, rocket propellent.

And which of these would be an OTC use? The rocket propellant perhaps?

Agent_Smith

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2001, 10:52:00 PM »
No I doubt the rocket propellant angle would be OTC.  OTC rocket motors are black powder, I suspect that methylamine comes into play with real rocket prollenats ala hydrazine.

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terbium

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2001, 11:15:00 PM »
We need an explicit sarcasm icon. The closest we seem to have is " ;) " but I doubt that this would be quite explicit enough.

Unobtainium

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2001, 11:18:00 PM »
I usually use  :P  

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terbium

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2001, 11:22:00 PM »
For tongue-in-cheek ? The only thing is that it also looks like "Mr. Yuck".

Quicksilver

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2001, 05:02:00 AM »
Was there not a bee who used Mr Yuck as his image recently?   Can't remember who....

dickdastardly

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2001, 09:56:00 PM »
AHEMM people can you just maybe stick to the subject

encopo

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2001, 11:11:00 PM »
methylamine can be made by various methods, since there
are very little legitimate reasons for needing it, and
no real OTC sources.

Check out rhodium's site, and read what zwitterion (may he
rest in peace) has to say on the matter. Methylamine is
a VERY useful substance in many reactions, and a stockpile
would be nice.

Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill.

Bozakium

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2001, 08:07:00 AM »
There are legal ways for the layman to purchase REAL rocket propellants.

PrimoPyro

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2001, 04:02:00 PM »
Is that a joke?????

Im sorry, when someone says "real" rocket propellants, I think of high grade shit: chilled hydrazine and dinitrogen tetroxide, for example.

If you can get these reagents, PM me and tell me how!

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PrimoPyro

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2001, 04:04:00 PM »
Jesus, the things I'd give for half a kilo of nitronium tetraflouroborate......

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uemura

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2001, 07:43:00 PM »
Buying Hydrazin is less a problem than buying DMS or LAlH4. At least for Euro-Bees.

Solvent_Flash

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2001, 09:15:00 PM »
That Hydrazoic acid synth is CRAZY sounding to say the least, so much to do!..... Just get the damn Hexamine, and hydrolize it with your HCl and Methanol. This will give you your desired chem, methylamine, PLUS a crop of Ammonium Chloride which you can save and use  to hydrolize other shit in the near future!! Peeeece(of Hash)Don't pyro technicians use methylamine for big explosions at rawk shows? (seem to remember  reading a post by a pyro tech once about that and the hexamine synth.

PS: Hexamine is some smelly sheeeit, wear a lab coat and gloves, OR smell like a Hasting's Street alley, your choice...

BOOM!

terbium

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Re: methylamine aquisition
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2001, 10:21:00 PM »
That Hydrazoic acid synth is CRAZY sounding to say the least, so much to do!..... Just get the damn Hexamine, and hydrolize it with your HCl and Methanol. This will give you your desired chem, methylamine, PLUS a crop of Ammonium Chloride which you can save and use  to hydrolize other shit in the near future!! Peeeece(of Hash)Don't pyro technicians use methylamine for big explosions at rawk shows? (seem to remember  reading a post by a pyro tech once about that and the hexamine synth.

PS: Hexamine is some smelly sheeeit, wear a lab coat and gloves, OR smell like a Hasting's Street alley, your choice...

Ahh, lovely, another moron who thinks that anyone would be interested in his babbling.

shorts

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Methylamine and Nitromethane
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2002, 11:02:00 AM »
Does anyone know how these two would react?  For instance using Methylamine as an additive to the RC Fuel?  As a fuel additive would that give better performance to your model car?  I hope someone can see where I am going with this.... ;)

terbium

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Diesel fuel.
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2002, 04:22:00 PM »
For instance using Methylamine as an additive to the RC Fuel?  As a fuel additive would that give better performance to your model car?
Only perhaps if your model car has a diesel engine. Adding an amine to nitromethane will cause the octane rating to plummet.

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El_Zorro

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?Re: For instance using Methylamine as an ...
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2002, 12:47:00 AM »
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For instance using Methylamine as an additive to the RC Fuel?  As a fuel additive would that give better performance to your model car?
Only perhaps if your model car has a diesel engine. Adding an amine to nitromethane will cause the octane rating to plummet.




Isn't that kind of a good thing?  I thought the octane rating had to do with how much anti-combustion agents they added to the gas.


Who is that masked man?

terbium

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Plummet
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2002, 04:05:00 AM »
will cause the octane rating to plummet.

Isn't that kind of a good thing?

Plummet means to decrease, to cause the octane number to become smaller. A fuel with a low octane rating will combust on the compression stroke of the engine without needing to be ignited by the spark plug, it will cause the engine to ping or, in the extreme case, cause the engine to diesel. Thus a low octane rating is good, even necessary, for a diesel engine but bad for other types of engines.



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shorts

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Methylamine and model fuel
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2002, 04:09:00 AM »
A model engine is a 2 stroke, and does have a diesel like combustion process.  The fuel is usually a methanol and castor oil blend (4:1 is the standard methanol/oil mix).  Methanol is replaced in varying percentages by Nitromethane depending on the level of performance required from the fuel.  I have personally used up to 70% Nitro in my fuels. These engines use a glow plug for the ignition in conjunction with the fuel compression.

Now if someone making this fuel and potentially marketing it came up wit a performance enhancement by adding methylamine or if it gave some other advantage as an additive for this kind of fuel, it would then be reasonable for a model fuel manufacturer to buy methylamine. 

One of the OTC uses stated for Methylamine was as a fuel additive.  What I am getting at is what does it do in fuels.  Can someone who makes this fuel reasonably purchase Methylamine?  Especially in South Pacific Countries that recently hosted olympics?

regards,
shorts

shorts

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octane decrease
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2002, 04:13:00 AM »
well one of the disadvantages of high Nitromethane in model fuel is that the ignition point does get delayed.  It may be an advantage to bring this ignition point forward in the cycle.

shorts

shroomanium

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scram ...
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2002, 03:02:00 AM »
Don't post sources!

UAFSE! I'm sure there's more than one use for methylamine.

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