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Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« on: March 17, 2009, 02:08:23 AM »
P. caerulea covers my fence in my back yard. I was kinda stoked to try it when I found out that I had a potential 'marijuana' replacement as i read on a website. I heard it was a sedative, and found out that the species i have contains small amounts of cyanide gas in them, and can be deadly when smoked in HEAVY amounts. I read experiences using the exact species, and found that you probably would have to have an extraction, then have THAT smoked heavily for anything bad to happen. I started experimenting with the plant by placing chopped up vines and leaves in hot water, and made a tea. The tea looked exactly like green tea only darker. I noticed dead nats floating in the tea (about 2). Ew. Oh well, more protein :D

I drank the bitter tea, and kind of downed it quickly. No stomach ache or any bad feelings. I sat down on my couch about 10 minutes later. I started watching TV and decided i didnt want to do that anymore and was about to get up...UHHHHH i dont wanna get up lol. I felt like lead. I sat there just thinking about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for a good amount of time (maybe 20 minutes) then realized that i felt normal again. Was that all in my head? I dunno...

Made teas after that with NO success getting the same feeling. I started thinking the first time it must have been all in my head. Just recently i remembered I plucked MANY leaves to dry in an oven at about 200*F. They became hard and crunchy, so i broke them up into itty bitty pieces to save. I found my container i kept it in, and packed a bowl of it to smoke out of a pipe. The passion leaves smell SO good, its crazy. I, thinking it smells good thought the smoke would taste good....WRONG. The smoke is as thick as burning dead leaves youd throw in the firepit when you are camping. Inhaling the still hot and thick smoke was nasty, and i could only imagine what it was doing to my lungs. I only got a hit, and blew it all out of my pipe after the first. Gross.

Some more time passed, and i thought about hitting it out of a bong to cool the smoke down. I tried smoking out of a bong, and it was WAY easier and more natural smoking the cooled smoke. It felt quite nice, and id hold the hits in as long as i could. 1 hit, no sign of change, 2, nah, 3..., somethings crawlin up, 4, feel same as last hit, 5, a little more of something there, 6, woah...everything i look at is 'there', its kinda hard to explain, 7, wow, 8, wow, 9, wow, 10, WOW. Something was there and i cant even describe it because i dont really know what it was. When i looked at something, i was thinking 'Wow...that cup is there...sitting...just there...life is real...its existing...' I went into my room to further explore the feeling. I sat on my computer and i just thought about nothing except stare at everything in my room. It was like i had sight for the first time, and i was kinda creeped out about everything existing. The feeling lasted for about 10 minutes and then it went away quickly. It was weird that's all i have to say!

By the way, i havnt smoked an actual flower due to the flowers not on the vine yet, i just gotta wait a little further into spring. Anyhow, the feeling was very light, and i often thought, is this in my head? But there was something definitely there.
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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 02:42:10 AM »
Passion flower contains some MAOI in the form of harmala alkaloids - careful with those, they can be a bit dangerous in certain situations. You might be interested in attempting to make an ayahuasca type drink out of it if you can find a DMT source. I don't think passion flower is a very good source for MAOIs thought so it may not work. It would be interesting to see though, and at least it would be able to potentate the effects of other drugs like psilocybin and what not.

I think the flower will work a lot better then the leafs, which I assume you used?
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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 02:46:17 AM »
ha! I was going to mention that MAOI thing...

Do your plants produce fruits, if so, how many seeds are in each fruit generally?
Do you know if the fruit of the plant contain any MAOIs at any point such as when they are unripe?  I know a lot of fruit are normally toxic when they are unripe so it would make sense that if there were high amounts in the unripe fruit.

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 02:54:12 AM »
well I can't find any information on the unripe fruit having any MAOIs but it doesn't mean they aren't there!

While looking for that I found that passion flower really doesn't seem to contain enough MAOIs do really do much - so you'd probably need to take a lot of it.

Better off using Syrian rue. Russian olive, or synthesizing the harmala alkaloids instead of try to do it with this plant, but it may lead to a unique high since I think it contains other active chemicals as well. the synthesis of the harmala alkaloids doesn't  seem to hard to do using the Pictet-Spengler reaction. 
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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 02:54:53 AM »
Vesp: I have heard about the combination of MAO inhibitors can be dangerous, i first heard about maoi's before i tried 'nutmeg' recreationally. I heard Mushrooms + Passion flower gives you a TOTALLY different trip, i forget what the person who wrote the experience called it. I do not have a DMT source. :(
Yes i heard the flowers work better, and i did use leaves. I have to wait for the beautiful things to grow which shall be soon!

LYC: It is not fruiting yet, and that might take a little while since no flowering has begun yet. I remember throwing this little fruit from it years ago and seeing a bunch of little seeds come out, looked like this: http://www.passionfruitnow.com/images/Passion%20fruit%20and%20cut%20fruit.psd.jpg
And as far as the toxic levels in the fruit, i heard that at no point the fruit is active.

As soon as these fruit, ill be sure to offer seeds here!

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 03:00:19 AM »
You could always order a DMT source - Mimosa Root Bark is a decent source, if you are into growing your own you can always get, and probably find fields of Phalaris grass - it isn't a very good, or safe source of DMT due to other chemicals but it certainly is easy to grow and very abundant.  There are more plants that also contain it.. but that is really for another topic.
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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2009, 03:03:15 AM »
That is a very cool looking fruit! I'd love to get some seeds as I've been trying to acuire this plant to add to my collection for a while. I'll be looking forward to hearing from you in the future.

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2009, 04:01:33 AM »
Ill look into DMT asap, and I will post when i see first fruit! Perhaps you guys can help me find out what makes Passion Flower a sedative? Can i make extractions?

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 04:07:56 AM »
Yeah I'll deffinently look into what makes it a sedative for you. I'd go for an alcoholic extraction first since that should be able to dissolve the alkaloids, and any other compounds that might be active like some of the terpenoids present.
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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2009, 04:30:13 AM »
I can use rubbing alcohol, correct? And can i dissolve the alcohol via outside sun rather than fanning it? Thanks alot

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 04:33:18 AM »
Yep that should work pretty well, try to use at least the 91% Isopropyl alcohol, since the more concentrated it is the better its solvent properties will be.
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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 04:37:57 AM »
Alrighty sounds good!

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 04:44:32 AM »
I'll be looking forward to see how it goes! Get pictures if you can :) That always makes reading more interesting.
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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 04:48:11 AM »
of the plant? Will do! Not too pretty though since theres no flowers :/

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 05:00:02 AM »
Not only the plant but the extraction process, and the end results. After all its all pretty fun to look at isn't it?
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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2009, 05:09:48 AM »
Oh yeah ill do that to for sure!

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2009, 10:18:13 PM »
I posted a bioassay on this plant, but it was mixed with valerian root extravt, and hops extract, in the form of 'Nytol Herbal'. Apparently there was also Diphenhydramine in there but IDK. Please tell us how this goes - I am VERY interested.

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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2009, 08:20:19 AM »
Ok guys i made the extraction.
It turned out like a thick maple syrup. And i had about a teaspoon of it. I made a tea, mixed with hot chocolate and creamer cause it tasted like dookie. I drank it...felt nothing, been almost 45 minutes. :/

sorry about the lack of pictures, due to what happened which made me leave in the first place, i cant be taking pictures.


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Re: Passion Flower (P. caerulea)
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2009, 11:29:35 PM »