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jon

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2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« on: July 03, 2010, 03:20:23 AM »
i had a few questions there are a few u.s. companies that supply this chemical for about 10$/gram.
and a lot more in china.
the question i have seeing that it is'nt listed is: how much heat could i expect from ordering this chemical
would it be better to order from china?
the problem is chinnesse companies don't respond to emails and they only accept wire transfer which means i could get burned.
but stateside companies are ordained to do the bidding of the federal government seeing that this is not listed that's not enough ammunition for a search warrant.
what would be the probable outcomes here???

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2010, 04:09:42 AM »
2C-H as it's also known isn't listed but from what I've read it's on one of those "watched" lists...sorta like ammonium formate or something like that...i would buy 10 grams...i don't think any heat would come. Just don't buy bulk obviously.

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2010, 04:34:17 AM »
hmmm that makes sense if it gets reported it's not enough to make the threshold to justify an investigation.
i know it has to be a big score to interest the dea.

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2010, 09:59:47 AM »
I doubt there will be any kind of reporting save for an order placed on a DEA shamsite.  If its watched certain quantities or all quantities will have a log requirement.  DEA has access to the logs or something along those lines.  Suppliers aren't prancing off to do the DEA's investigative work, unless I'm mistaken I suppose. 
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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2010, 07:02:42 PM »
okay i'm convinced i'll get on a list if i order this shit stateside not nessecarily the jumpout boy's housecall but a "blacklist"
and not enough evidence to build a case but enough to raise eyebrows.
so china it is.
thanks everyone.
as to this statement:

Suppliers aren't prancing off to do the DEA's investigative work, unless I'm mistaken I suppose. 

wrong, sigma alldicks has thier own "dea compliance department".
but sigma is quite big
i would'nt imagine a smaller firm is going through all that hassle and overhead.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2010, 07:05:44 PM by jon »

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2010, 08:50:51 PM »
Yeah massive corporate entities are the US's massive corporate government by extension it'd seem.  I think you'd be hard pressed to find another example.  It is my understanding that international trade is given its entirely own set of guidelines to be followed dealing with tariffs etc...(domestic trade restrictions do not apply as they're a coercion (mandate? all BS) of the seller... International government may be arriving soon, but the DEAs not running that I'm certain)  Customs is given a set of instructions given the good being considered, inter-agency reporting (prance off toward DEA) would have to be listed for that good for there to be any worry. 

Its been a while since I looked into it thoroughly, but seemed to feel accurate after regurgitation.  I need to look back into it at some point anyhow.

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2010, 11:47:12 PM »
yep yep jon's seen kilos of white powder labeled as "gypsum" fly on past customs so with international trade anything is possible with the right import/export broker and a company front.
within limits of course.

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2010, 01:51:42 AM »
Quote from: Warwick on July 03, 2010, 08:50:51 PM
Fabricated syllabol construct with something to prove

err... Jon I wanted to say theres little reason to even mislead with many things. as its plainly listed with a duty (fee) nothing else.  goodness where was, err it went there.  Where there is I really cant remember,

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2010, 02:03:20 AM »
i'm a little unclear as to what your getting at

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2010, 04:40:58 PM »
Quote
i'm a little unclear as to what your getting at

That's how I feel with every post you write. ;)

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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2010, 07:19:45 PM »
As far as that mess goes, I simply tried to get at the unnecessary mislabeling on a lot of the chemicals one would assume have  import restrictions on.  Now one should investigate this into the specifics for each individual chemical for sure, but you'd be surprised.. I was.  The jackboots run on 99% fear, one is far ahead of the curve if they decide to alter the parameters we'd define this game with to more useful ones.  (the perception of which techniques are best/safest coincide with the snares the DEA had set for a rebellious slave while whispering its on the left, go right its safer.... Mess is still here, 21hrs hmm)
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Re: 2,5 dimethoxyphenylethylamine (legal yes) not listed either
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2010, 01:29:32 AM »
Quote from: jon on July 03, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
wrong, sigma alldicks has thier own "dea compliance department".

This made me  :D

Going a bit off topic, 2,5-dimethoxy benzaldehyde is much more widely available for quite a cheap price ($2.50 per gram in fairly small quantities from one supplier) and is only a 2-step reaction from the title compound. Additionally, it's a more useful precursor to psychedelic amphetamines.
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